On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:38:08 -0500, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When did I quote implementation times for a diagramming tool / > technique? Fine if the What Plum Can Do Page is unclear -- it's > unclear -- it gives the appearance that there is a visio-esque > diagramming IDE included (with pictures even). But don't blame the > viewer for jumping to an _obvious_ conclusion, revise the content so > the obvious conclusion is different.
I'm with Isaac on this: the Plum web site talks - at some length - about the Plum Methodology being all about diagramming and shows what appear to be example diagrams. Even reading the tutorial in the support section of the site shows the same diagram. If you show stuff like this as part of your product description, people are bound to think the product actually does that: http://www.productivityenhancement.com/plum/PlumDetail.cfm?id=diagrammingss I've been reading through the tutorials and I can now see that there's a *lot* of manual editing of specific .cfm files involved. The website is very impressive and makes it sound like Plum does a bunch of stuff that it actually doesn't seem to do. It talks about an IDE and diagramming but really it doesn't do any of that. It generates CRUD code from a database. It has a custom tag based framework for master-detail CRUD form-heavy apps. It has a CMS (although it's not clear how that fits in with the generated CRUD code). The tutorials go into mind-numbing detail about some things I'd expect all ColdFusion programmers to know (the Application.cfm / OnRequestEnd.cfm stuff for example) but are generally very clear - clear about all the manual editing steps, for example. Adam, could you provide a clearer statement of your target audience? I've spent a couple of hours reading through everything now and I'm still not really clear who you're aiming Plum at. As far as I can tell, it isn't aimed at anyone using an existing framework or an existing code generator (like Joseph Flannigan's, which just creates CFCs you can use with any framework). It doesn't appear to be aimed at folks who'd need the power of something like FarCry. It looks to be squarely aimed at people who build a lot of fairly straightforward data entry / data update apps, by trying to automate the tedium of creating basic CRUD code and simple form layouts. Am I getting the right impression now? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187859 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
