After a quite a few years of using software in various aspects of my business... operating systems, video production software, database software, and Cold Fusion, etc.,...I've learned that before I spend a penny on software I should find a place where the people that use that software gather to discuss it's use. I don't have to even participate to get an idea of the quality of the software and the community of users that I'll probably depend on to use it.
Based on the kind of comments, and potential assistance from lists like this one, I'll make a decision whether or not to invest in that software. With more and more companies becoming practically unapproachable for support without spending lots of dollars, it's important to know there are communities surrounding products that can help with issues that come up without entering a firestorm. <plug> I will put in a plug for one company, however...Linksys (Cisco)...I've used their inexpensive routers for several years now with good performance, but when I have a problem, I can call a free 800 number, and talk to technicians as long as I need to and never have to pay a dime. I'm not sure how they afford to offer that level of support for free, but I'll always be a customer because of it... </plug> But, back to CF-Talk...this place has been like a gold mine for me... and I want it to keep that polished sheen... Rick -----Original Message----- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz I've often wondered how many people actually subscribe to each list (talk and comm). Seems like the same handful post all the time, just wondering how many lurkers are out there. :) Ray At 01:09 PM 3/11/2005, you wrote: >Scott, > >I enjoy the humor, *some* of the drama, and good-natured ribbing, >but some of it, profanity, abusive trashing other's works and sites, >criticism of someone who lets the community know of *free* tools >they've created and are inviting people to use and getting verbally >abused for it...a lot of that stuff needs to go... > >It's not good for the list. > >Glad you're sticking around.... :o) > >I'd be interested in knowing how many people sign up for the list >and how many people unsubscribe by the month...any chance >Michael might share numbers or just maybe some insight into >how what goes on here affects subscriptions? > >Rick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:43 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Unsubscribe by Scott Stroz > > >Rick, > >I was joking. The guy from smartsurfonline said it was easy to >unsubscribe to their mailing list. I was taking an unprovoked jab at >him. > >I love CF-Talk, the humor, the drama, the mud slinging...oh, yea, >there sometimes some good tech related stuff here too ;-) > >Scott > > >On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:42 -0500, Rick Faircloth ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From Scott Stroz: > > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > Scott, > > > > I know you're probably unsubscribing because of the incivility > > shown on this list in the last couple of days...and it has been bad. > > > > However, there is a lot to be gained from monitoring and participating > > in this list. I would never have been able to get a business based on > > web design that utilizing Cold Fusion without it. It's not always this > > bad...usually, it's quite civil. > > > > Now, to speak the CF-Talk family...forgive my forwardness in speaking > > to the group like this, but this little "family" has begun to act like too > > many > > real families. Unable to carry on conversation without argument, >sometimes > > profanity, undue criticism, etc. Many real families fall apart when it >gets > > like this...the same is true for "online families" and I think, if my > > instinct is correct, > > that Scott Stroz may be the first victim of this CF family's misbehavior. > > > > We need to temper criticism of other people and, especially, their >websites > > and products. Criticism can be constructive and given in that light is > > usually welcome > > by the producers. But the kind of criticism, even lately of free >products, > > has been > > quite over-the-top. I think some of us need a vacation, or at least more > > sleep and > > less caffeine! > > > > In groups like this one, it's easy for the "inner circle" to become very > > familiar with > > each other and, like in all personal relationships, get a little too >relaxed > > with what > > we say. People who sign up for the form, because of their interest in >Cold > > Fusion > > and need for help, will quickly abandon this list, not get the help they > > need, and > > perhaps abandon Cold Fusion, itself. This doesn't help any of us in the > > long run > > and especially the person in need in the short run. > > > > Notice, I'm not using capital letters, so I'm not yelling at anyone...this > > is just a call > > of encouragement for all of us to be careful in our conduct and etiquette >on > > this list. > > There are constantly new people checking out what's going on that we never > > know > > are watching. We need to show them this is a place of help and comradery, > > not of > > heated criticism, petty sniping, and destructive argument. People show up > > here > > in need of help...not just with the code, but with the difficulty of >dealing > > with the > > situations they're in which drove here in the first place. > > > > Personally, I'm tough enough to stick out the troubled moments we have >here > > to > > get the benefits from this list. But for the sake of those who won't >stick > > around long > > enough to see what a great resource this list is, I encourage everyone to > > play nice... > > > > Thanks for indulging my concerns... > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Faircloth, > > White Stone Media > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Anyone used these tools? > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:198446 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
