Actually, UltraDev was not necessarily meant to be a replacement for 
ColdFusion--it was developed to enhance the development environment and 
create a more "wysiwyg" environment for more rapid development. You can 
choose a default platform and change it at any time (even on a per-project 
basis). It has a very nice interface for building your queries, and it 
allows you to drag and drop the variables right into the page, wherever you 
want them displayed. You can very easily incorporate Next N browsing, 
e-commerce, regular expressions, etc. Basically, anything you could do with 
ColdFusion, JSP or ASP--you can do with UltraDev. The nice thing is, you 
don't even have to buy a new app server--just use your existing one.

Per Macromedia's site:

"UltraDev currently supports ASP 2.0, ColdFusion, and the JSP 1.0 server 
including Microsoft IIS, Allaire ColdFusion, IBM
WebSphere, BEA WebLogic, and the Netscape Enterprise Server. However, 
UltraDev can be extended to support any server." And it supports "ODBC, 
JDBC, or ADO relational databases including Oracle, Sybase, Informix, 
Microsoft SQL Server, and Microsoft Access."

This is why their site still showed a .cfm extension. They very well may 
have used UltraDev, but their server is a ColdFusion server. Therefore, they 
would have had it set to default to the CF technologies. Similarly, if they 
were using IIS, they would have defaulted to ASP and had a .asp extension.

I went to a demonstration held by Macromedia on this, and I was quite 
impressed. I am currently evaluating UltraDev for our Software Development 
Team. Though it currently does not have anything in place for version 
control (you would still have to use something like SourceSafe), they plan 
on implementing this in the next version, which is due to be out by the end 
of this year. I am absolutely amazed at the speed with which one can 
construct applications. Things that would take a couple of hours in 
ColdFusion Studio took a matter of minutes in UltraDev. And, you have 
complete access to your HTML and SQL, should you need to create anything 
more advanced than the interface will let you accomplish.

I would highly recommend checking it out (and you can download the demo) at 
http://www.macromedia.com/software/ultradev/.

Terri



----Original Message Follows----
From: Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: CF vs UltraDev
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:23:45 +0930

Heh heh! Any wonder. They use CF on their site too:

http://www.internet.au.com

Peter Tilbrook
Internet Applications Developer
Aspect Computing Pty. Ltd.
19-25 Moore Street
Turner, ACT, 2612
AUSTRALIA

http://www.aspect.com.au

Phone: (02) 6247 7677
Fax: (02) 6249 1620
Mobile: 0428 765 020

ACT ColdFusion Users Group - http://203.37.24.198


-----Original Message-----
From: Parker, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 12 September 2000 9:47
To: CF Talk (E-mail)
Subject: CF vs UltraDev


FYI - October issue of internet.au (an Australian Internet mag for those who
may not have heard of it) rated Ultradev at 3/5 and CF at 4/5. Reviewer felt
that CF was more reliable and user friendly than ASP. But I guess we all new
this.


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Service and Communication
WorkCover Corporation

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