I use mySQL.  Net cost: $0.

In the case of Crystaltech, they give you free SQL Server space of
like 1/2 GB per server.  So you're back to $0 again.

Or you can use MSDE, which is a low-traffic version of SQL Server (it
has a connection limit, but here again if you are just starting out
its fine).  I use SQL Server for the client's data and MSDE on the
local box for things like client variable storage.

I then use a product called MSDE Manager for an Enterprise Manager

http://www.valesoftware.com/products-msde-manager.php

I run it on the server itself when doing terminal server connections,
so I don't have to be on an Enterprise Manager-Equipped system to
manage the db.  I also use it to connect to the Crystaltech SQL Server
from the same box.  Net cost: $79.

I would argue that the value is never lost because once you become
master of your own domain (literally) your reliability and capability
goes thru the roof.

Case in point:  All of the crap you've referenced in the other thread
would have never happened.



On Apr 1, 2005 4:57 PM, Connie DeCinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about SQL Server/MySQL? Are you running that on the same box or is that
> an additional expense?  Where I feel the value is lost is when you have to
> buy a SQL Server license and CF license for less than 10 sites.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:42 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
> 
> On Apr 1, 2005 6:28 AM, Connie DeCinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At what point does it become feasible to go dedicated, considering you
> have
> > to purchase your own software, etc.?  Hosting 5 sites? 10? 25?
> 
> Boy is that ever a can o' worms!  There is no straight, always-right
> answer.  You would have to look at what you are charging people for
> hosting, how much of that you are turning over to CT and THEN work in
> these factors:
> 
> 1. "How nice would it be if I could do anything I want on MY server?
> (CFX's etc.)"
> 2. "How stable would my server become if only my own programming is on it?"
> 3. "How many sites can I stuff onto this thing?"
> 4. "Do I know how to run a server?"
> 
> I am responsible for two clients' servers there so I know how CT sets
> them up.  Its a nice setup, actually.  For starters you get your own
> mail and stats servers (Smartertools' SmarterMail and SmarterStats).
> I'm not fond of SmarterStats, but its free.  And I bought SmarterMail
> for my own servers as a replacement for IMail when that product went
> belly up.
> 
> They also give you Serv-U.  Its not the secure version though, but its
> still Serv-U.  Plus your operating system is included.  Windows comes
> with it too.
> 
> That only leaves CF to buy, which ain't cheap.  I suppose you could do
> BlueDragon's free or $899 versions too.  Or you can probably rent CF,
> and if so it will take you well over a year to equal your rental
> payments.  Maybe a good option, especially if you are just starting
> out and will be adding (paying) clients over time.
> 
> Nobody can touch CT's prices on servers, I think.  US$80 per month for
> an admittedly basic unit that would run 10 or so  small CF sites just
> fine.  Then bump that up with an upgrade down the road (and keep the
> $80 server for a dedicated mail server).  Those dual-Xeon, 2gb units
> are dirt cheap for what you get.  So cheap I almost jumped ship from
> my server provider when I expanded recently.
> 
> --
> --mattRobertson--
> Janitor, MSB Web Systems
> mysecretbase.com
> 
> 

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