However, that doesn't mean that CS programs shouldn't include web
application technology and methodology, even if only as elective. 

I think part of the point is that web development languages are already in
play at colleges and university, and as CF developers, we would like to see
CF be the defacto language of choice for web development discussion at
colleges and universities, especially when compared to other languages such
as PHP or ASP.

I think that is a healthy direction for the CF community and would result in
a growth of awareness and appreciation over the long term for CF itself.

And btw, I know plenty of mainframe and Java developers who have little to
no understanding of developing web applications, CF aside. 

- Calvin

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

CS programs don't worry where the output is going to, only the result.  Web
applications are only a subset of programming. The skills gained in college
are transferable to any application type.  

Furthermore, web programming does not usually use the skills learned at
higher levels (and CF in particular)- pointers - memory manipulation -
garbage collection - deep copy - data structures - sorting algorithms - file
structures - language compilation.  This is the stuff used by those who
write ColdFusion, C#, PHP, Adobe Photoshop and other applications.

Anyone knowing these things could easily pick up ColdFusion.  The reverse is
certainly not true.

The knowledge gained by CS students is mainly theory, but that student can
display greater breadth of knowledge of computing than someone just armed
with a CFWACK.  

- Matt Small


-----Original Message-----
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite?

But C# and Java are taught in the area of desktop application
development. Colleges do not do enough to teach web application
development, which is where ColdFusion would be a useful medium. I
don't have any exact numbers, but I can only imagine that more web
applications are being developed than desktop applications in the
corporate enviornment. So why are all the CS students graduating with
knowledge that only helps them in the minority of jobs?

-Adam





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