all the major ones are perfectly capable products, there is no doubt. The thing about php is like you said earlier, their strong point is also what hurts them. They have all these plug and play modules and anyone can just plug them in and go and they think they are now "programmers" but I'll betcha a good chunk of them could write a db call and recordset return if you asked them too. Sure the plugins are nice (i used phpbb all the time) but what happens when something breaks? can they dig in and fix it? no, probably not. Like right now I am doing that with cartweaver, which seamed fairly good until you want to customize it (Or clean up the code) while its a plugin at least I can go in and fix it while most of these ppl can't.
I think the problem is that people make their decisions based upon the starting price, whereas it should be the ending price. I think the argument he should take is exactly that, show them the final price and since they are talking perl also show them a average maintenance price, they are just getting stuck up on the initial price and that's were most ppl give up. ~Dave the disruptor~ This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice" and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice" figures @%*((&% ---------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Aebig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:13 PM To: CF-Talk <[email protected]> Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP >> if you need more power in php whatcha gunna do? I've literally yet to find anything I couldn't do with stock PHP. If I did, theres always this... a lovely little API that they embrace you to use when everything goes south. http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/zend.php >>And who is php backed by again?? oh yeah "we the people" Well, like MySQL, PHP is actually overseen by ZEND, a company created by 2 of the Senior Developers. They choose to help support it and provide extra utilities to make their money. I can agree with you that the community has bloated PHP, and even agree that its a faster development tool. But aside from that, its pretty well neck in neck... and thats good for both languages. Competition breeds innovation. Sincerely, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP exactly! I guess Simon� is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to jimmy joes house and confer with the locals about what to do with it, maybe google the problem a bit, maybe find a half-assed answer and then try it and if it gets messed up to bad cause there is really noone to back it up. Sounds good to me, guess i'm gunna ditch cfm and go with that cause gee it sure sounds swell wally................. But his comparison has a point. I know when I have problems with my MM stuff that I can call my rep and he'll come over and find me a solution thats actually backed by the company. And who is php backed by again?? oh yeah "we the people", which sounds nice but "we the people" also are the ones who send us viruses as well, do you know them? do you trust them? are they required to tell you the correct thing to do if you have a problem? or could they be telling something that will corrupt everything you have already done? If you like php thats great but like i said in last post, if you put up cfm in a fair fight with equal quality coders in php, asp, .net, jsp, perl, whatever, cfm still gets it done faster and in the end cheaper. And if you need additional power then you can run java in it and you have all you need, if you need more power in php whatcha gunna do? ~Dave the disruptor~ This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice" and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice" figures @%*((&% ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208475 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
