I see your point about usability being and "disabler" of usage, but that's not the problem with my clients. They don't get the power of the apps to help build customer relationships, as in Customer Relationship Management.
They don't want to spend time with Email Newsletter systems, although they're as easy to use as clicking the mouse as little as 3 times to send out a newsletter full of info to their customers. Mostly, they're just lazy and won't change their work habits to incorporate these tools into their workflow....drives me nuts...then they complain when business is bad...(sigh)... That's why I don't think putting a lot of time into UI's will make any difference...it's not the UI's I build, but the client's indifference. They ask for it, pay for it, then don't use it...all I can do is supply the water for the horses... As it is, learning and implementing new methodologies would just be a waste of time and energy. Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:56 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > applications? > > > Well, that's part of the point. AJAX and related interface > methodologies can > improve the user experience and potentially create a superior interaction > layer that may then result in better usage of the functionality. > > AJAX can be used a functionality enabler, instead of as > functionality in and > of itself. > > - Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:18 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > applications? > > Marketability...now that's true...but I can't get my clients to use well > what I build now for them, much less fancy apps based on AS, JS, AJAX, and > Flash... > > Rick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:12 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > > applications? > > > > > > I mean employability in a more broad sense than being an employee. > > > > If you prefer, replace employability with marketability... :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:23 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > > applications? > > > > Not interested in employability as in "being an employee"... > > I'm self-employed and plan to stay that way...can never be fired. > > Does have its drawbacks, but for me it's the only way to go. > > > > Rick > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:03 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > > > applications? > > > > > > > > > Additionally, learning Javascript when in a web appllication world, > > > can only improve your capabilities and employablity.... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > > > applications? > > > > > > Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. > > > > > > - Matt Small > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > > > applications? > > > > > > Thanks for the insights, Barney... > > > > > > Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe > > > when some action is performed that triggers it? > > > > > > Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... > > > > > > Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second > > > frame responds, and causes third frame to respond....like a chain > reaction. > > > If so, would this substitute for concurrency? > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > > > > applications? > > > > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't > > > > do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then > > > > it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With > > > > Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, > > > > which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex > > > > data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the > > > > client-side, which results in a far better user experience. > > > > > > > > And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the > > > > frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and > > > > then rebuild the visible document with that new content. > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > barneyb > > > > > > > > On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, all... > > > > > > > > > > I've been interested in building web applications that don't > > > > > require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at > > > > > Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. > > > > > Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. > > > > > > > > > > Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further > > > > > examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other > > > > technologies > > > > > about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a > > > > > market at this time that would justify the effort) > > > > > > > > > > My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone > > > > > mentioned recently as their method for building applications) > > > > to simulate > > > > > "non-page refreshing" apps? > > > > > > > > > > I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some > > > > > feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline > > > > > frames...I > > > > can stick > > > > > to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no > > > > > Actionscript...sounds good to me. > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant > > > > > inline frames usage to build apps? > > > > > > > > > > What am I missing? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any feedback and guidance... > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Barney Boisvert > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > 360.319.6145 > > > > http://www.barneyb.com/ > > > > > > > > Got Gmail? 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