I think we need to remember that there has been no set pricing on the tool yet. Ben noted that it could be "under $1000" and that could mean anything from $1 - $999 even though I think it will be on the higher end. The fact of the matter is that if you decide that you like what the tool does and how it works you will fork over the money. I personally think it is worth the investment. Adobe will, I assume, allow you to download a trial when the final version is shipped so you can test it out.
>From Ben's presentation in NYC, Adobe was working on some RDS functionality as well that may be contributed to Eclipse or just be part of the Flex Builder tool, that alone in my opinion is worth it's weight in gold. Not everyone is going to like the product, some people hate Dreamweaver while other swear by it, you can't please everyone but there is nothing else at present that can accomplish what this tool will deliver when released. That is the bottom line and Adobe will price it accordingly for their target audience. If you don't like the product and want to either build one or hand code everything you can do so also since the XML style markup is quite easy to use but again, it's up to you if you prefer to spend 100 hrs hand coding it versus using the visual tool. I really think that all the AJAX talk is going to quiet down a bit when Flex is released. Just my 2 cents. On 3/2/06, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So what about those of us who just don't like Eclipse? I've tried it several > times and each time I return to my copy of Editplus wondering what all of > you are raving about. > > I'm now knocking it, or you Dave, but it I don't care WHAT it can do, the > fact is that it's competing against other stuff that can do the same thing > and some of those options are free. It just seem a little excessive for > Adobe to charge $999. Why not $500? Or even $600. > > <!----------------//------ > andy matthews > web developer > ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --------------//---------> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:57 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta > > > > I do still think it's a bit of a cheek to charge the > > equivalent of a full app suite (or a new PC for that matter) > > for a plugin - no matter how wonderful it is. As to whether > > it would save me time/money thats a moot point. Flex 2 is > > not the only option out there, and wearing either of my hats > > (as an independent developer or as a member of a large dev > > team working for a not for profit) $1000 is a lot to spend > > per seat - especially as we would probably need the server > > as well. > > I don't really understand why it matters whether it's a plugin or a "full > app suite". What matters to me is what it allows you to do. I'd much rather > pay $1000 for FlexBuilder as a plugin to Eclipse, which is somewhat of a > known quantity, than have Adobe spend time and developer resources to build > an entire IDE from scratch. They'd have to charge more for it just to cover > their costs, and it probably wouldn't be nearly as good. And again, the only > thing that should matter is whether it helps you deliver better applications > faster, at least enough to offset the per-seat cost! > > And yes, Flex 2 is not the only option out there. But it's fundamentally > different from the other options that are available. Based on what I've seen > so far, I think it's quite a bit better than the other options. In my > opinion, AJAX is hardly comparable to Flex 2 - and I've been working with > AJAX (and AJAXish predecessor) applications for a long, long time. You don't > need to listen to me, though. Download the open beta and see for yourself! > > > I am interested in Flex2, I am also interested in Ajax and > > several other options - money will be a big part of any > > decisions made. To set up 2 servers and 12 developers to use > > Flex might be a very significant outlay. > > According to my understanding, you don't necessarily have to purchase any > server component at all. You can use Flex to talk to CF applications, web > services, etc. without any server component. The optional server component > is very impressive, though - it provides some very useful pieces of > functionality, like the ability to tie into JMS very easily. As for your > not-for-profit development team, Adobe may offer alternative pricing for > different sorts of organizations, so you may be able to get it cheaper than > I can. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:233951 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
