If Adobe could get their return of investment solely through tech support revenue stream, they would have gone that route. The business reality is they want to get their return of investment and return on investment for their shareholders in the relative shortest timeframe.
-----Original Message----- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta Tech support. Plenty of companies make their money supporting free products. <!----------------//------ andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --------------//---------> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Han [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta >Are you seeing a pattern here? I personally LOVE Coldfusion and I'm not >complaining about it at all. But I do think that it should be free, not >because I don't see a value in it, but because I want CF to proliferate. >It's such a great language that if it were "free" LOADS of people would be >using it. Because WHY NOT? It's powerful, easy to use and fun. Andy, A company's primary purpose for its existence is to make money. If CF were made available for free, who is going to pay for the developers' time and product support? ASP is not really free if you think about it. Microsoft had already factored in the costs of ASP into the price of every copy of Windows OS sold. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta Actually, yes, I do think that $1200 for the server is excessive. Seeing as how CF is the ONLY language that makes you pay for the engine. PHP = free ASP = free (with the windows OS) Java = free ( I beleive ) Perl = free Python = free Ruby = free Are you seeing a pattern here? I personally LOVE Coldfusion and I'm not complaining about it at all. But I do think that it should be free, not because I don't see a value in it, but because I want CF to proliferate. It's such a great language that if it were "free" LOADS of people would be using it. Because WHY NOT? It's powerful, easy to use and fun. <!----------------//------ andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --------------//---------> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex 2 and Ben Forta Do you use coldfusion? You know it competes against other products that can do the same thing, and some of those options are free right? PHP, ASP, RoR, etc? Did you pay for the coldfusion server? or do you use a hosting plan that you pay for that costs more than some of the other options? Do you think that 12xx for coldfusion is excessive? Of course they could release coldfusion for less money, but it costs money to develop the software, to maintain it, to train on it, etc. They think 12xx for the server is a pretty good price and so do plenty of corporations / developers. The point is, that while you can get other software that may be cheaper or even free, its worth paying for because you are getting value for your money. While you may pay 1000 for flexbuilder, while you could get some other product for free, flexbuilder is going to allow you to do more faster, increasing your return on investment. Also, if you dont like eclipse, or flexbuilder, use whatever xml / actionscript editor you want. You can get the compiler and flex framework for free... Just realize that you aren't going to have the IDE thats going to make everything easier for you. But I dont see 1000 per developer as excessive at all for the power that you get out of flexbuilder. Truth is, i dont see why anyone is trying to convince you... If you dont use it, it just means less competition later... ;) On 3/2/06, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So what about those of us who just don't like Eclipse? I've tried it several > times and each time I return to my copy of Editplus wondering what all of > you are raving about. > > I'm now knocking it, or you Dave, but it I don't care WHAT it can do, the > fact is that it's competing against other stuff that can do the same thing > and some of those options are free. It just seem a little excessive for > Adobe to charge $999. Why not $500? Or even $600. > > <!----------------//------ > andy matthews > web developer > ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --------------//---------> > -- Ryan Guill BlueEyesDevelopment [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ryanguill.com (270) 217.2399 got google talk? Chat me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Coldfusion Open Application Library - COAL - http://coal.ryanguill.com Use CF and SQL? 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