I know very few CF developers who know JAVA, that mostly stems form people
who were programmers before learning CF or have a programming background, so
I think your putting yourself down there if you think you're the only one
who doesn't do it, in fact the majority of the people on this very list
don't do Java.
I also know many freelance developer and development companies who do high
profile government work and work for very large/rich organisations, and none
of them use any OO frameworks, most of them use their own or fusebox. And
they are certainly not picking up scraps. 

It really depends if you job requires any of these things as to whether you
spend time learning it. 
I would love to have the time to sit down and properly learn Java, .NET,
every other framework, but alas I don't even have time to spend posting on
these lists very often as I work hard, I only get to do it at the evening
and on weekends. Once upon a time I used to be one of the people that was on
the list all day answering everyones questions instead of working ;-)

At the end of the day, it's each to his own, I have my opinion and I
couldn't care less who likes what framework at the end of the day, it's not
gonna make me lose any sleep or effect my work, but the problem with people
like Isaac is that they seem to forget that a discussion list is for
discussion and people will have differing opinions, and if you cannot accept
that and are not open to it and just want to shove your opinion down peoples
throats and bolster your ego, then your better off joining a user group or
fan club where everyone likes the same thing as you.

--
russ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 09 April 2006 00:05
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions

I agree with Russ.  I think Isaac was being a bit too general about it.
Heck, I must be the only web developer that doesn't know .JavaNet, but I'm
not always scrounging for scraps.

I don't mind picking up scraps every now and then.  Being able to grab a few
quick bucks for some one-off mom-n-pop web sites are great for some extra
spending cash.

;^)

M!ke

-----Original Message-----
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 4:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions

I know plenty of people who do not comply to the *Isaac Dealey* way of
thinking, and they all have very good jobs, oh wait, so do I, now how did
that happen?

russ


-----Original Message-----
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 April 2006 18:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Newbie Model Glue Questions

>Then everyone else can have the scraps that are left over after 
>developers
who've taken the time to stretch themselves have taken all the best jobs.
It's >really that simple.








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