On 6/3/06, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Its not an attitude...just an opinion. I am also not a big fan of open
> source products in general. I have recommended cfeclipse to people as it
> is
> not a bad product over all...I just don't like it. I couldn't get...or at
> least figure out how to get, the cf part to work right. I found the
> interface to be very non-intuitive and hard to use. It does have
> potential.
> I do like the fact that I can use it for multiple platforms...that is
> pretty
> cool, though right now, I am not doing anything but cf, so that does kill
> some of the cool factor for that. Packaged installs would be good. I
> think
> a lot of us just don't like the whole Linux/open source way of doing
> things
> when software is concerned. I find most gnu licensed products are more
> trouble that they are worth to install and get running(mysql being an
> exception). I find a lack of consistency since you have multiple
> independent programmers working on it. The concept is great, but like
> many
> things, they look better on paper. Don't take it personally ;-) You do
> have a strong following that really like cfeclipse.
>
> Blessings,
> Eric
Hi Eric, blessed be!
This is one of those age old arguments, Open vs Closed, and there
are tons of docs about development cycles and such, good reads.
They even have names for the types of cycles and whatnot.
I don't think your arguments hold water now adays tho. If they
ever did. "Open" is so open, you'll find all types. By definition.
Some are good, some not so good, but it's been a ton of fun
watching the evolution.
If you can't read the trends, you may still be thinking along old-
school lines of thought. Old, biased lines of thought.
For years I've been using "open" solutions. Just look at the
Apache Group for more examples of stuff that "just works",
like MySQL. Lots of examples.
Any large project will have multiple contributor's, or programmers,
no matter if it's open or closed. I don't see "closed" as having
some intrinsic nature of consistency. That's a MS meme; that
for some reason, people seem to buy into, even tho they USE
MS products, and could obviously see the fallacy of that idea.
OpenSource is the way of the future, and if you can't tell that
by what's been going on for the last bit, you haven't been
paying attention.
I'm not saying everything will be free, but rather, that the
people who believed, for some time, in the ultimate power of
"open" vs. "closed", have been borne out, whereas, the
folks who touted "closed is better", haven't.
If you're really "doing cf", you should LOVE the awesome
power of eclipse over HS+ or studio. If you're just
note-padding it, for all intents and purposes, you aren't
really coding. Heh, that's a statement.
Seriously though, UML and all this nifty crap, made by
coders, for coders, beats the pants off of some corporate,
"name it something friendly, like 'HOMEsite'" type method.
THAT's what turned me off of HS, really. The name. Coding
isn't easy. "Home" makes it sound like a dumbed-down thing.
Why not name it "PROsite". :-P
At any rate, when a colleague and buddy said "there's an
eclipse plugin for CF" (he doens't even do CF much) I was
all over it. It seemed "manly". LOL.
Really though, if installing a java runtime is that difficult...
there's something wrong. I hope you run an instance of
cf locally, and use source control and such, but if not...
I've got another colleague/friend who, do to being comfortable
with "the old way", has really been lagging on picking up
the new design flow. Insists on editing live stuff on the
production server, leaves temp files, etc.. Sees the power
of the new stuff, but for some reason, hasn't shown initiative
in taking it to the next level.
But a decision from on high has changed things (really
it was just the effects of doing things "the old way"), so
now my friend will have to get a crash-course, vs. a nice,
lazy introduction.
If you're interested, open source has probably furthered
the "coding"-ness of coding 1000x fold. It was obvious
years ago (to me) that sharing info would do that.
Guess the main thing people have a problem with is
figuring out that when they help other people, they
help themselves as well.
So it's cool that you tout the MS line about open source,
but you are totally wrong on every count, if you ask me.
If you are serious. I just can't see how you could say
it looks good on paper, but not in reality, when it's pretty
blatant that OpenSource will be a key factor in what's
to come (And has really proven itself, (as if it needed to).
Sorry to come off so hard. This is more of an emotional
response than a productive one, but I'm finding out the
hard way that if you want to be a real coder, you have
to get with the program. Open Source is here, it's
queer (how do I get $$?), get used to it.
And GPL is just a license, it's pretty unfair to try to
link a licence to software quality. That's not Bud,
that's not True.
What looked good on paper, is looking even better
in real life, and keeps on looking better.
Well, that was a rant, sorry, but I had to respond in
kind, as it didn't seem like much research went into
your post. No hard feelings, don't take it personal,
just an exchange of rantings, if'n that don't bother
folks.
Opensource is something that isn't just linux any
more. This is a big factor for CF based products
as well.
Eh. 'Nuff said ;-)
:Denleg
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