Yeah one of the big things with it is that most of these people can't even 
afford what they get let alone all the good stuff.

Honestly, part of that problem for me is I don't really know enough about it to 
get into it. Is there any good links you have handy?

I wish I could just sit around for a day and figure it out but right now I'm 
currently working on 18 sites and I have an offer of well over 200 more and if 
i take those then I can see me taking a week off (when i get caught up) and 
really learning the other things such as this and really get into the 
model-glue, reactor, coldspring stuff.

~Dave the disruptor~ 

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From: Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:15 PM
To: CF-Talk <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: CF Studio 5 

dave wrote:
> And thats great for people working in groups and in shops but there are 
> others out there who don't need all that.
> It depends on your situation but for me why do 5 things to get it to the 
> server when you can do 1?

It still is one thing: hit the deploy button.

> They way I roll out sites I don't need to do all the additional steps for 
> that stuff so why do it?

Because it allows you to better control the process. It doesn't matter 
if you work in a group, in a shop or alone. In all those cases scripting 
and instrumenting deployment has benefits. Even in the minimal scripts I 
use personally I have integrated backups of the new code, I use an 
encrypted connection for uploading and the scripts figure out which 
parts of the code is changed and upload only that. And writing the 
scripts for that really doesn't take all that long.

What we do at work goes way further. Part of the cycle is that we run 
all code through an HTML validator. We compile it into bytecode. We 
package it into an EAR file. We run both white and black box regression 
tests on everything. Building the infrastructure for that is indeed a 
lot of work and you probably don't want to do that for a simple project 
(or maybe it is more accurate to say that most small customers won't be 
willing to pay for that).

But in either case as a developer, I just communicate with source 
control. Everything after that is scripted.

Jochem



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