I think us folks who like frameworks are building enterprise web applications. I've been using strictly FB since 1999, but if I am charged with making a 7 page website for my neighbor's kid of course I'm not going to use a framework. But in a corporate enterprise situation, the maintainability is not debatable! I have been able to walk up to very complex FB applications and in 30 minutes be able to make effective changes for them. I have also worked on client applications using non-frameworked code that takes days or even WEEKS to effectively be able to make changes to. And when it comes to any significant functionality added or changed, in the spaghetti-code situation I or most consultants would only take the job on the premise of rewriting the whole thing. I'm no business expert, but which situation would you rather be in if you own the company? I think we're comparing apples and oranges is what I'm saying. I agree a framework may not be the way to go for a one-off simple website. But for an enterprise web application a framework will significantly add to the value of the software. And the "Fusebox is slow" statement is very outdated.
Greg On 6/8/06, Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave, I think you must have a browser sniffer that checks for any > framework > string structures in URLs and limits your download speed - lol. So are > you > telling us that not one site using frameworks is fast?? If so can you > give > some examples? > > Model Glue has had some speed issues recently but Joe has spent a lot of > time tuning this and MG1.1 is a lot faster and Unity should be better > still. > > Now I am coming in this conversation a little late but one of the great > things I find about FWs is the scalability of them. Unless you've spent a > lot of time implementing your own code structure/standards (personal > framework) then I'm sure you will run into issues with > scaling. Frameworks > handle this very well as they have been tried and tested. This is just > one > of the pros. > > Frameworks aren't the be all and end all but they are a great starting > point > for any project. Check out what some people say about frameworks here: > > http://succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/4/28/cfFrameworkscom-survey-results-What-coldfusion-frameworks-are-used(more > analysis coming soon). > > Nick > > On 07/06/06, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > same connections I view everything else on, not like i use a special one > > for cf framework sites only ;)~ > > > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: "Nathan Strutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:40 PM > > To: CF-Talk <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow? > > > > Dave, > > > > Chack your network connections. Switch providers if it helps. Sounds to > me > > like every site you visit is "slow." > > > > I know, I know, and i'm just kidding, but really, you've never seen a > > speedy > > enough CF framework-driven or asp.net site? > > > > I've built and visited a number of each, most all quite fast (when on > good > > or local hardware). Therefore, check your connection. Maybe your ISP is > > sending your signal through 14.4k modems. :D > > > > -nathan > > > > On 6/6/06, dave wrote: > > > > > > Yeah that can be true and is a good point. > > > I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember something I > > read > > > on here that was said, someone said that it was slow and the responce > > was > > > yeah but it's doing so much underneath, but the user doesn't care > what's > > > underneath they want it fast. > > > > > > I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so it > > > seems but then again I really haven't seen a .net app that's fast > > either. > > > > > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:242895 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
