Geoff,

Not to disagree with you, obviously you know FarCry far better than I, but
my email was based upon my experiences with prior and existing versions of
FarCry (and was not a criticism). Nonetheless, I do take a bit of issue with
calling FarCry a framework. Yes it is extensible and offers you any number
of ways of extending the core without modifying the code, but so do most
other enterprise level CMS systems I have looked at...are they all then
Frameworks? An argument can be made of this I suppose, but this seems to
blur the line and perhaps confuse people. I know FourQ used to be packaged
seperately from FarCry, but this does not seem to be the case any
longer...FourQ would appear to be more along the lines of what I would call
a framework based on what I know about it at this point...but as the last
time I checked I couldn't find it available for download seperately (and
wasn't what he was asking for anyway)...if it is available let me know
because I searched in the hopes of adding it to the open source list
independently.

- Brian Rinaldi
blog - http://www.remotesynthesis.com/blog
CF Open Source List - http://www.remotesynthesis.com/cfopensourcelist
Boston CFUG - http://www.bostoncfug.org

On 7/1/06, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Brian Rinaldi wrote:
> > FarCry CMS is a full enterprise content management system. It is not
> > actually a framework at all and would bear no resemblance to Model-Glue,
> > FuseBox or Mach II. FarCry does include a means of extending the base
> CMS
>
> Without meaning to get into a frameworks debate.. or even to suggest
> that FarCry would be appropriate for this specific project.. I am
> obliged to point out that FarCry is in fact a framework, and differs
> only in that it ships with an integrated solution and related services
> out of the box.  That solution is a CMS.
>
> > functionality and this requires the use of built in extensions. You can
> also
> > extend FarCry with custom code I believe, and you could use whatever
> > framework for that, but this would exist outside the core of FarCry if I
> am
> > correct. In the end, FarCry is very extensible, but there is a bit of a
> > learning curve, and modifying the core code would require quite a bit of
> > experience in my opinion (and cuts you out of any upgrades in the future
> -
> > at least without a major headache)
>
> The very fact that the solution is extensible belies the framework
> underneath it.  Modifying the core would be as necessary as modifying
> the MG or Reactor or (insert framework) core library files -- you just
> wouldn't do it except in the most unusual circumstances.
>
> I've been involved in FarCry projects to build ecommerce solutions, CRM
> projects, federated logins, complex XML syndication and publish
> services, employee directories, membership services, and more in the
> last year alone.
>
> Anyhoot.. I've no intention of beating a drum here.. just feel its
> important to clarify the *actual* capabilities of FarCry.  Like any
> framework it's got to be appropriate to the task at hand - FarCry just
> happens to work very well for our team for all manner of projects.
>
> > Galleon and BlogCFC do not use a prebuilt framework, and would exist
> outside
> > whatever framework you choose unless you decided to rewrite them to fit
> > within one of the frameworks.
>
> I believe both Galleon and BlogCFC have been integrated into FarCry by
> members of the FarCry community -- in truth I suspect the exercise would
> be relatively straightforward for most frameworks.
>
> Best regards,
>
> -- geoff
> http://www.daemon.com.au/
> http://www.farcrycms.org/
>
> 

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