Claude,
You've tried to make your point with frameworks, but you haven't made any factual statements. It's fine if you don't want to use frameworks, but if you want anyone else to not use them then I think you need to document any issues with them as opposed to things like "Includes CF 4.5 and CF 5 backwards compatibility" when the latest versions don't. There was a time when fusebox did this, but it was seperate files, so if you didn't use CF 5, then you would not even have to use that file. My point is this, open frameworks are a good idea because it allows more than just you access to the code and an open discussion on issues. We all understand that frameworks forces a developer to learn something new, in most of these cases it forces the developer to learn OOP or MVC. But that doesn't mean learning those methodologies is a bad thing. It only helps your marketability and allows for you to move to other languages if a business decision forces your hand before you're ready. Bob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:245294 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54