> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Dreamweaver is a total big dog!!
> 
> Adobe and Macromedia are famous for applications that have huge overheads
> too.
> 
> Bring Back JJ Allaire! Java goes, Delphi stays. The last good version
> of CF was 5.0

Actually - just so the record is straight: The Allaire Bros. never used
Delphi.  HomeSite was a third party product made by Nick Bradbury, now maker
of the excellent "TopStyle" CSS Editor.  It was later purchased by Allaire
and turned into CFStudio and HomeSite+.  Bradbury worked for Allaire for
about a year before he left in 1998.

I'm actually pretty sure that J.J. had either left or "left day-to-day
operations" by that point as well but that may have been later.  Jeremy was
the only working Allaire at Allaire for quite a long time.

The history of Allaire... it's a freakin' soap-opera. ;^)

> Now the package is too expensive, runs anywhere from slow to crawl,
> has problems and is slowly loosing ground to PhP, IMHO.

Are you still talking about the IDE or CF itself?

In my opinion CF (the platform) has improved substantially since version
five... although I've not been able to afford anything past version six
myself.  ;^)  But Six does seem, to me, to be the last "must have" upgrade
(thread-safe shared scopes and streamlined event handling being the two
"must haves" in my book).

> Everyone wanted to buy it, put there own little touches on it and
> then re-sell it. It is now to the point that note pad is the preferred
> editor.

If we're talking only about the editor then HomeSite+ is still essentially
what it was. It survived the mergers very well even if they simply refuse to
market it.  DreamWeaver itself was never an Allaire product - it existed in
the Macromedia stable before the merger and has indeed exploded in both
complexity and overhead over the years - but not, I think, due to mergers.

I'm actually very pleased with the fact that the CF platform has remained
essentially IDE-agnostic.  Unlike some other platforms which have become
nearly impossible to work with without the tied-in IDE (and built-in
debugger, test environment, version management, etc) CF is still perfectly
usable with any of several IDEs or, in fact, no IDE.

Jim Davis


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