Tom, have you even seen or worked with Vista, specifically UAC? You have
strong opinions about Vista but it doesn't sound like you're speaking from
present knowledge. Just curious here.

To clear one thing up, Vista WILL NOT come with UAC turned off on ANY box.
An app can't auto-elevate itself. It runs in the "sandbox" given and if it
needs to do something with elevated needs, UAC will stop it and ask you if
it is ok.

One last thing (Jacob Munson), Vista can't be compared to a virus protection
application (Norton's, etc). That is what they do...manage virus
definitions. Vista is the OS. If Vista has a hole, MSFT will fix it. If a
new virus comes out, MSFT will update One Care's virus definitions (a virus
protecting program).

On 11/29/06, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 29 November 2006 16:02, Dave Watts wrote:
> > If by "broken" you mean "makes things more difficult for the
> > user", well, yes, I guess it's broken. I'm using Vista RC1. Can you
> explain
> > what you mean by that?
>
> It's Just Another Box.
> Users will click it and type their usernames without reading it, because
> they
> are users.
> Or software will fake the box (trusted path not withstanding, this is
> Windows), get the password, and elevate itself.
>
> I'm with Jacob - it doesn't matter how flash and secure Vista is. It's
> software. It'll have problems. MS will fix them, once a month, or not. In
> the
> mean time the only thing that'll stop yet another Windows virus outbreak
> is
> having Anti-everything installed.
>
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