Adam, I will agree with you on every level, I have had a run in with Sean over this before as many developers wonder all the time. And although I agree that if something is not making money for the company a decision will be made about its future.
Now back to the real world. In Australia, the biggest problem is jobs. The jobs are just not there any more for coldfusion developers, finding a good developer that is not already in a job is getting harder and harder. And because of that, the trend is to then switch to a product that will give a company / business what they require. At the end of the day we design, develop and have to support a product we develop for a customer or client, if we can't meet those needs due to no developers to do the job, then a decision has to made of what to do with the application. I had this discussion a few years ago with Sean, and he stated the same thing then that CF is better and stronger than ever before, well if that is the case how come the job market in Australia has dwindled to virtually nothing. But here is what will kill CF, the price tag. We all know CF is RAD, but this has changed, since adding in Unit testing (TDD), and frameworks's like mvc, spring etc. Every other technology has the same advantage as CF, but CF is easy to learn but not when it comes to complex projects, and the likes of java will win hands down for that. How can I turn around and say to a client, I can do the same job but it is going to cost $50k, not including the CF license and a java developer comes along and says yep $50k and no license required as it is open source. And the company is going to look at me and say well what about if I need support, there are more java developers than CF developers so the decision is easy, lets go the java route. The reality is simple, CF has grown up and can compete with the bigger boys but it can't with the price tag it has and it's loosing ground because of it. There are so many factors involved that this discussion can go on and on for eternity, but CF will still be looked upon to the small developers and have to compete with open source all the time. Anyway that's my 2c, and observation on the subject. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -----Original Message----- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 10:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post > If you go through this whole argument about how we can't divine the actions > of top management, why should we trust your divination? Dave, I highly respect you, too, and I think everyone knows that. Of course, my predictions are from someone just as removed from the Adobe boardroom as the rest of you. My point is that I believe that I'm looking at this from a more realistic point of view, taking into consideration the true nature of the decision points they, like any other business leaders, must by federal law take into consideration. How they consider them and what they deduce is, of course, anyone's bet. I will say that for a few years now I've been suspicious of the actual revenue numbers generated by ColdFusion, how that revenue breaks down between maintenance versus new licenses for new versions, new customer growth trend, and how that trend's growth pattern compares to the overall growth patterns of other platforms. Saying that overall revenue has grown can indicate any number of things; the devil's in the details. My suspicions have made me think that things are not as rosy as we would like them to be, hence the decidedly darker side of my predictions. Again, I'm sorry if I've ruffled any feathers. Back to work! :) Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee Get advanced intensive Master-level training in C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at ProductivityEnhancement.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:262350 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
