>> I'll admit, Sandra's methods take some extra work on the part of >> the admin but at a global level
As I said I am not disputing her methods because they are one way of combating what is essentially morally deficient human beings who wrote a program specifically to act improperly. However, block lists are after the fact and a moving target not to say time consuming, which is why I gave up on BOT blacklists. They took too much time to maintain and were constantly letting stuff through. Something Sandra implied in her solutions. Time sensitive variables do not always allow for human action or more directly INaction. The two systems combined are one solution that I am sure works well. >> I'd much rather have the system decide rather than have the >> user jump through unnecessary hoops if at all possible I agree I would too, but automated systems do not always correctly identify a human from a bot. I also admit that the human identification methods like answering one question or a capatcha are also fallible but usually due to human error, no pun intended. >> Seriously? You think it's fine to ask a user to enter information >> proving that they are in fact human Depending on the potential harm/problems/inconvenience having a bot's answers I do think it is just as acceptable as asking for personal identification in the real world. Best Regards, Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website design and Hosting Company 690 Wolcott Road P.O. Box 6029 Wolcott, CT 06716 Tel: (203)879-2844 http://www.uxbinternet.com/ http://www.uxb.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hiding email addresses Seriously? You think it's fine to ask a user to enter information proving that they are in fact human when there are ways to make the fact that you are even checking anything invisible to them? I'd much rather have the system decide rather than have the user jump through unnecessary hoops if at all possible. I'll admit, Sandra's methods take some extra work on the part of the admin but at a global level (meaning that all the info be accessible by all applications within the server/cluster) I'd say it's worth maintaining. I'd much rather stop a ton of spam from going through my clients contact form before it happens rather than have them bombarded with spam one day just to ask me to do it anyway. ...:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hiding email addresses Munson, Jacob Said: >> Here's a link: >> http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/thread.cfm/threadid:48461#258090 >> It's a pretty good system, but requires a lot of work on your part. She makes has some interesting solutions to the problem and I even played with most of them, Blacklist, timed session variables and such, however they are solutions based on a premise that as much as I'd like to believe in, in truth don't. Sandra Clark said >> Although both Captcha's and Human Auth tags are understandable >> in the context of being bombarded by spam, I don't think its >> fair to require our users to prove they are human. This is a philosophical difference and not a denigration of her solutions. You see in the real world we never have to prove we are human because it is evident by our very presence and faking humanity in the real world is a huge technical feat unattainable by the average person - ex wives/husbands beliefs to the contrary. However the network is virtual and filled with various levels of robots and programs - every host every router has a program. Although the programs for the most part due our bidding, humans are in essence visitors and minorities within the net. Sandra's perfectly valid solutions assume it is not fair to ask humans if they are humans and yet in the real world we still ask them to identify which specific human. I on the other hand feel it is perfectly acceptable to ask for identification, in this case human identification and not always which specific one. But I think too much. Best Regards, Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website design and Hosting Company 690 Wolcott Road P.O. Box 6029 Wolcott, CT 06716 Tel: (203)879-2844 http://www.uxbinternet.com/ http://www.uxb.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hiding email addresses > Where can I read more about her system? I tried IP blocking > but it became > much to cumbersome to maintain. I am always interested in > eliminating spam > of any kind. Here's a link: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/thread.cfm/threadid:48461#258090 It's a pretty good system, but requires a lot of work on your part. I'm almost ready to release an updated CFFormProtect that should offer these benefits: 1. Accessible. It won't block the blind folks 2. Fully automated. 3. Invisible to the user 4. Stops both bots and spam manually entered by humans 5. Easy to install/configure At least, those are my goals, and I /think/ I've achieved them. We'll see after I release it if people see any problems in my methods. I don't want to spill the beans yet, but I'm hoping to make an announcement later today. "EMF <idahopower.com>" made the following annotations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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