Will Tomlinson wrote on Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:28 AM 
>about some advice to the CF Team regarding validation issues

Andy Matthews responded on Friday, 9 March 2007 5:55 a.m.
> Other than for personal satisfaction, what does it matter if 
> your page validates? Does it validate if you take that line 
> out? If that's all it is then I wouldn't' worry about it. 

I'm with Andy on this one and it is NOT because I'm against standards. 

And then Dana Kowalski wrote on Friday, 9 March 2007 7:11 a.m.
>  I honestly hate that kind of attitude from a good portion of 
> the CF community. Web Standards are a reality. If you are 
> running a shop and putting out web products eventually you 
> will run into this where you're app won't validate and theres 
> nothing to do but simply stop using the feature. 

Dana, I understand what you are saying (and I don't totally disagree
with the hardline stance - invalid is invalid) but I believe Andy's
suggestion was solely from a developer perspective working with invalid
code and was itself perfectly valid.

With the combination of web technologies ((x)html, CSS, DOM etc) a
developer can and *should* strive to meet certain levels of validation,
including both mark-up and CSS. They should also meet certain levels of
accessibility, in my opinion. These web standards are here to help
everyone, not hinder them, so in the case of a developer who cannot
control an area of code output, then it is more than reasonable to
accept in that instance that it wont and *cant* validate, and then move
forward. If you have attempted validation and the rest of your code is
ok, then you have done your part. That's not to say you shouldn't put a
case to the original vendor about product issues in an attempt to have
them fixed. You should, as should I and every diligent developer using
said product.

> Just saying 'eh who cares' is what leads to having to have 30 
> lines of css hacks on a site simply to support a handful of 
> browsers. 

I disagree. That would be one browser manufacturer in particular who
used to think like that which caused the resulting melee of hacks
required for cross browser compatibility. And after a fair amount of
bitching from the design community, they decided to do something about
it (although I'm not suggesting cause and effect here).


Mark

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