Beer button? Complete Genius... !k
-----Original Message----- From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: is this wrong on my client's part? Good Lord Mike, why on earth did you agree to this kind of arrangement in the first place!? :o) I think I'd tell the client to get stuffed, but if you've already put in a bunch of time on it then I think I'd triple my normal rate, and do like you said and charge for each and every bug you fix. On another front, I've got pretty strict guidelines about who I'll do work for (meaning what sort of business). For instance, I'd never do any developing that contributed in any way to the sale of pornography. My company has turned down jobs for liqueur stores, and once for a movie theater that wanted us to install what amounted to a "beer button" on each of the seats in their theater. What I'm saying is that I'd be *extremely* uncomfortable working for a man who wouldn't let me know anything about his product or who couldn't trust me to come to his location and code on his equipment. In short, I think it's your client who's being unreasonable, and you just seem to be doing your best to deal with it. Cheers, Chris Mike Kear wrote: > I have a client who is REALLY paranoid about access control and who > wants me to develop a complex shopping cart for him, but never have > access to his system. I have to submit my finished project on CD, > then he'll load it up and test it and let me konw if it works. > > The site is a cluster of two servers, "probably on windows, not sure > at this state", and the CF will be "probably CF7 Enterprise". The > database will be definitely SQLServer2005. > > I'm not allowed to use cookies of any kind, not allowed to use client > variables, not allowed to use sticky sessions, so that means i have to > write my own version of client variables, using UUID as url variables. > Oh and new UUID has to be issued on every single page view. The > shopping cart is multiple currency, has to be custom written, as does > everything else. > > Because he wants to own outright all the IP in the project, no > pre-written modules can be used. Everything must be custom written > for him, so he can own all the IP. > > I built the prototype on my shared server, and it was a very > interesting exercise for me, writing my own version of client > variables, but it wasnt without anguish. There were quite a few > minutes spent scratching my head figuring out how to do some of the > parts of the site. > > I am reluctant to deliver the site for acceptance testing without ever > having had the chance run the code myself on its finished environment, > or even having the chance to see what the environment is. (The > devil is in the detail all too often, dont you think?) > > He's going to install my code on the servers, test it, then describe > to me what needs changing, or describe what's broken. (I wont be able > to see the errors for myself because it will be behind firewalls at > that stage). Then I'll fix the errors as described or make whatever > changes they request, submit the code on CD again, and they'll tell me > if i have fixed the problem. > > So here's my question. I dont like this arrangement at all. And > i'm asking your opinion about what I should do. > > My current inclination is to deliver the code as requested, but > without any warranties that it will work, since I have been required > to build it without any means of testing it in their environment. I > am thinking I'll submit my final invoice for the completion of the job > on an "as is" basis, and give them the CD with the code on it when i > get the cheque. Then bill them for every change they want made, > whether bug fix or enhancement. I figure i can get away with > (truthfully) saying "that might be an error on your system but it > works without that error on my test environment and since you denied > me access to your environment you will have to pay me to make a > change." > > Am i being unreasonable with this? > > Cheers > Mike Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > AFP Webworks > http://afpwebworks.com > ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278212 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
