On 6/27/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really disliked the site model as well... > > The big PIA with Eclipse...you can't just create a blank file without > creating a file in the file system. When I am debugging javascript, I will > grab the source to see the code the error is referring to...why should I > have to create a file that I have to go and delete and go therough the whole > file creation wizard process. Pretty stupid and not very user friendly.
Actually you can - just click 'New > Untitled Text file' It's pretty easy to add that as a default option on your drop down. I use this all the time. Mark > > Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:57 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF Editor > > " You are also forced to work in Project mode, instead of being able to work > in directory mode." > > Not sure what version you are using but - you can work in Directory mode if > you wish - it's called File Explorer View. You can search on all files / > open or closed. > > You don't work at all with DW Sites? > > I would say long term that DW will be "replaced" with an Eclipse version of > it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 June 2007 12:37 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF Editor > > I think the long start up time (which is even longer that DW's start up time > amazingly enough) is a big negative. Eclipse/CFEclipse regularly crashes on > me and the tag editors rarely works properly. The editor itself is choppy > and jerky and is prone to grabbing chunks of code that you are copying and > cutting and pasting them elsewhere in the document (really super annoying). > Ctrl_Shift_Z brings up a color palette...WTF is up with that? With every > other program in the world that works to go forward on the edit history list > (the reverse of ctrl_z). You are also forced to work in Project mode, > instead of being able to work in directory mode. Most of what I do is not > conducive to this project mode crap. I am forced to use it at work, so I > also use it for other thing to learn it better and get used to it. So far I > am not impressed and feel it needs a lot of work before this is ready for > prime time. Job done would be a product where all the features actually > work. I don't know the source of the problem...if it is a CFEclipse issue or > if it is an underlying Eclipse issue...but this has some serious issues that > effect usablility. Eclipse can't even do a proper site wide search or > search all open docs. I have to open DW for that. > > The Eclipse people also seem to have a bad attitude. On Vista, there seems > to be a problem unpacking the code using the native unzipper. While all my > other zipped files that have been zipped by WinZip and WinRar seem to work > fine, Eclipse requires the use of a third party package to unzip. This is > something that the Eclipse peole are unwilling (and have stated so) to fix > by using a better compression package instead of some off the wall open > source POS one. Yeah...it has a lot of issues. DW, unfortunately, is still > the better product by far. > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:40 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF Editor > > Of course I do. I mean the ability to not open a page up into the IDE with a > single click hardly constitutes it being hard to use - as in hard to work > with. You don't really have to setup workspaces you can use the default > one and to be honest out of the box it is not harder to work with than DW as > you still have to use Sites etc if you want to get the most out of it. > > One thing which Eclipse does lack is a design view and possible Firebug > integration, if and when it get's that it will be the dogs full stop. > > I had been using DW since around just before Version 1, I skipped a version > when it made the awful decision to merge with Ultradev and then after that I > only used it to working in Design view and doing some visual layout for ease > of use, I then logically moved to CF Studio and Homesite 5.x/+ and around > August 2005 I moved to using Eclipse and I think a very early version of > CFEclipse when Rob Rohan etc were developing it and never looked back. > > What learning curve can it possibly have? I mean once you have setup a > project and can get at your files, which probably takes around 5 mins you > are editing CF ...so isn't that job done? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 25 June 2007 23:46 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF Editor > > Seriously Neil? You question that statement at all? > > Compared to 95% of all editors out there, I think it is obvious that > CFEclipse has a bigger learning curve. (the other 5% including editors such > as Emacs and VI heh) > > Out of the box, you can't just open CFEclipse and start editing files for > one... you have to set up workspaces and projects either with the files you > want to edit or create new files within a project before you can edit them. > The whole project based editing is the one big turn-off for most people that > say they don't like CFEclipse. > > <opinion>If it were easy to just install CFE and simply double click a .cfm > (that isn't part of an existing project) then edit and save... CFEclipse > would be on every developers workstation.</opinion> > > ......:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. > Bobby Hartsfield > http://acoderslife.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 4:54 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CF Editor > > Really? Why? > > > ***REMOVED JUNK*** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Matthews > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Mon Jun 25 19:53:22 2007 > Subject: RE: CF Editor > > I will say that CFE has a very high learning curve. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade & see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:282322 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
