Another thing you may ask is if they are a member of a local ColdFusion Users 
Group or one of the worldwide UG that hold their meetings online (and if not 
why). It may seem silly but I've found that programmers that are active in 
their community generally have a better skillset and are far more knowledgable 
since they actually think about coding outside of work.

CF certification isn't in a good state. There needs to be more levels to it and 
the testing needs to have simulations like the Cisco tests have. In the Cisco 
tests, they give you a IOS command prompt and the question is set up a RIP 
between two networks, etc. You will either know the answer or not. In CF, it 
wouldn't take much to give a IDE screen and simply say that you need a 
component that has one method that returns a recursive list of cfm files in a 
directory. You will either solve this in a few lines or spend a few hours 
scratching your head :)

John
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jaime Metcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Coldfusion MX7 Developer Exam for certification, a must? Wher e is 
the location of the exam?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 6 July 2007 4:32 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Coldfusion MX7 Developer Exam for certification, a must?
> Wher e is the location of the exam?
>
>
> Out of the last five or so that we hired, ONE really knows ColdFusion.

+1

Then
> there was the one.  Great resume, "extensive experience" with SQL, CF, 
> and other things; great responses from previous employers.  Had to 
> fire him after a week.  He didn't even know do a simple table join. 
> (we now ask basic technical questions during the interview)

Amen to that.

However, I also have scant regard for certification.  I now do two things:

1. Just talk to them.  If someone is knowledgeable and enthusiastic it will 
show.  And I do expect my programmers to be able to speak.  In an interview, I 
expect a programmer to a) tell me something I didn't know - they're keen and up 
with all the buzzwords, right? and b) get so intrigued with something I tell 
them that they forget to be the poised interviewee and go into problem-solving 
mode.

2. Ask them to read out load from a page of code (any page).  If they say 
nothing more than "this is a loop followed by a query" I'm not impressed.
If they say "Hey, it looks like you've coded your own free text search here.
Are you trying to work around the file limits in Verity?  Did you try Lucene?"  
I *am* impressed.

Jaime Metcher





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