Well, I wasn't able to figure it out.  I was able to learn alot about some 
things that are listed as 'should' work.  I will have to do some gradual 
testing in the future.  Make everything on one template and then start putting 
them into includes and then see how this effects the ajax system  (I can't 
imagine it should, but who knows)

I did get the data to submit to the database in a different manner, which will 
work for now.
I used a cfajaxproxy bind command which is activated by the click on the submit 
button.  To get the user interaction, I have a onMouseDown event that sets the 
button to show as 'being submitted' and then I use the same event to show the 
'updated' text at the top of the cfdiv in <span>.

this mimicks most of the behavior that i needed, but I will have to track back 
to this issue later to find out what the real issue was.  

thank you all for your assistance.  I was able to find some great resources of 
infomation on this topic.

> Hey all, 


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