@ Jason: thanks for the links I will check them out. I have been learning 
ColdBox over the last few months. It was cool until I found out half way into 
my project I could not call the layout without the handler. I don't that 
defeats the point of MVC but I needed it to brake the rules just once and it 
was not versatile to do so. The reason for this was a SOAP request where the 
page including the view needed to be retuned over HTTP by a .NET application 
(and a gateway in CF). I am sure thats another post altogether lol.

@ Matt: I know what you meant in ref to the traffic and application lol. I am 
very impressed with CF, it has taken a lot of work to make the application 
accessible and to integrate with there current systems but CF and XML work 
together very well. PS have i given up on the backend for accessibility CF + 
EXT 2.0 = not accessibility!

again thanks for all your help I am sure I will be posting more here now :) 

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