Of course. All I meant was that my apps are all behind a login and have a smaller number of users than a public facing web app that could be spidered would. Demands on sessions and web server resources are just different for the different types of apps.
Judah On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) <cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com> wrote: > We track backend user activity as well, to see which apps are getting > the most usage, which helps us target priority areas and allows us to > customize user experience. > > Steve "Cutter" Blades > Adobe Certified Professional > Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer > > Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS" > http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book > _____________________________ > http://blog.cutterscrossing.com > > Judah McAuley wrote: >> That's the sort of thing I was thinking of. I've always done that sort >> of thing via cookies with a db recording page atctivity until the user >> logs in. And, obviously, you could make a user id part of the cookie >> so as to track individual user behavior even prior to a login. Just >> cuts down on the number of sessions created. I like the idea of >> transient 2-second sessions though for bots. I'll have to give the >> topic some more though next time I create a site of that sort. These >> days I'm doing mostly back end business programming so session >> creation overhead isn't an issue. Good topic to think on anyway. >> >> Cheers, >> Judah >> >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) >> <cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com> wrote: >>> We maintain sessions for a variety of reasons. Our sites contain >>> multiple user facing applications, typically dealing with product detail >>> or directly reviewing client inventory. Sessions are used to track a >>> site user's full path through a site. Page views, lead submissions, app >>> level review (some of our front-end apps are Flash based). So, we get >>> full activity reporting, plus are able to differentiate (in our stats >>> review) multiple site sessions by the same user, seeing if return >>> sessions might be more productive, and tying together the session's >>> activity for complete user action overview. >>> >>> Steve "Cutter" Blades >>> Adobe Certified Professional >>> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer >>> >>> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS" >>> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book >>> _____________________________ >>> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com >>> >>> Judah McAuley wrote: >>>> Out of curiosity, what are the primary business objectives for >>>> maintaining session on pages that are not user-specific? I typically >>>> have divided my site into two parts, a public part that doesn't >>>> maintain session and then an area behind a login form. Once you have >>>> logged in and identified yourself as a user, I keep track of the user >>>> through the whole site, public and private. But I don't generally see >>>> a need to maintain session info for a visitor unless they have done >>>> something user-specific, which would require a login. That eliminates >>>> bots right there. >>>> >>>> Judah >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Cutter (CFRelated) >>>> <cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com> wrote: >>>>> We found this post from Ben Nadel to be extremely helpful in detecting >>>>> bot traffic. We have a highly customized statistical tracking system in >>>>> place for our web traffic, and wanted to accomplish two primary >>>>> objectives: a) not record page views of bots, and b) not maintain a >>>>> separate session on every page view (this is accomplished by identifying >>>>> the visit as a bot and setting the session timeout to 2 sec). We have >>>>> found Ben's work here to be highly effective. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bennadel.com/blog/1083-ColdFusion-Session-Management-And-Spiders-Bots.htm >>>>> >>>>> Steve "Cutter" Blades >>>>> Adobe Certified Professional >>>>> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer >>>>> >>>>> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS" >>>>> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book >>>>> _____________________________ >>>>> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com >>>>> >>>>> Jim McAtee wrote: >>>>>> We keep our own page view stats in a database and want to avoid counting >>>>>> page views by visiting spyders. What's a good method for recognizing >>>>>> spyders without throwing away valid visitor page views? >>>>>> >>>>>> Something using cgi.user_agent, no doubt, but how can we keep a fairly >>>>>> comprehensive list up to date, and do we try to do exact string matches, >>>>>> partial matches, or what? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
