Hi Adam

thanks for your detailed response.

i like the way you think... we also just use white boards at the moment too!!! 
but it is the sharing part that we are trying to sort out... we will try 
myeclipse as we do use eclipse and will also try netbeans as you suggested

thanks again

richard






Project size is a relative thing so it is hard to judge what it is you
>really want.
>
>Personally I've used Star UML with limited success and would not recommend
>it for anything more than 10 classes a few packages and couple sequence
>diagrams . Right now quite a few I work with prefer NetBeans over Star, note
>NetBeans is much more than just UML and is also OS.
>
> Argo and Poseidon are ok but I've found NetBeans to be more enjoyable to
>work with overall. If you are interested in a nicer work flow for day to day
>use and are already using Eclipse (guessing not since OS is not preferred)
>you might check out MyEclipse Enteprise, its UML tools are fairly nice and
>easy to use. If you are an IBM shop check out your licenses for RAD and see
>if you have access to their UMLing tools. They are by far some of the nicest
>I've tinkered with but they are not reasonably priced enough to be worth it
>for UML alone. One final suggestion if you have a team to coordinate with
>(and by tram I mean much more than just developers like Enterprise
>Architects and Data Architects and other folks that like to think they are
>important) check out SparxSystems their UML tools are top notch, really nice
>to work with and the associated work flows and integration is pretty nice.
>
>End of the day, bar napkins and pictures on white boards are where 90% of
>our design comes from (and I am talking all projects in my company not just
>CF projects). I'd invest in large white board in everyone's work area's
>before I ever invested in a tool. Actual UML from a tool just records it in
>a readable manner. The reason I point this out is sometimes I see folks
>talking about not finding a UML tool that is easy enough to use during
>design sessions, you aren't going to it just isn't practical most of the
>time. Find a tool that you can manage and you find easy enough to share the
>contents. For me that is probably NetBeans right now.
>
>
>Adam
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