Thanks Dave & Tony.  I must be doing something wrong, I don't know why it's not 
working.  The only way these tags work is if I do a cfparam with default="".  I 
keep getting the same undefined error.  Both of your ideas logically make sense 
and even the Not IsDefined() should work, that's what I use currently outside 
of the qparams.  It's weird.

I did read somewhere about the db having to be set up a curtain way to accept 
values I think, but if my old method is working just fine, then wouldn't that 
mean your code should work as well?  Crazy code.  It's acting like JS or 
something.. *shivers*

><cfqueryparam null="#len(form.field)eq 0#" value="#form.field#"> 

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