Thanks Gabriel,

o, ok so data is not pre loaded "so to speak"? if I just wanted to get the data 
its treated as an array  which is what confused me, i.e. like the array is 
waiting...

        <cfloop array="#rc.userbean#" index="user">
        
        <cfloop array="#user.getMonsters()#" index="monster">
               get montser that belong to  a user
        </cfloop>
      
</cfloop> 

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