Sean, and others - I would argue that the ColdFusion community has been doing just that for years. I would also argue that price and the lack of ANY school, college, etc exposing students to ColdFusion is also a big part of this. No, it's not Adobe's fault, ColdFusion has been a commercial product from the beginning. But I think Adobe NEEDS to get into schools at all levels and push ColdFusion very hard. Yes, I know the educational license is available. Just because it is available does not means the schools know about it or are willing to use it.
IMHO one reason why some companies are moving away from ColdFusion is due to the relatively small number of CF programmers. Again, I know the numbers are growing, but compared to other languages, there are not as many of us. Plus I think we cost more? I'm not sure about this, but all the PHP jobs I saw this past year paid poorly. Again, this is just my opinion and I do what I can to promote and support ColdFusion. Recently going into companies and organizations and teaching them how to get high performance out of ColdFusion servers. It's amazing to see the attitudes change when it's realized that sometimes its just a few settings that were causing issues to the realization that a database (or other external resource) was causing ColdFusion to "fail" and not ColdFusion actually failing. To me, the growth and future of ColdFusion depends on the community as well as Adobe. We (Community and Adobe) all need to get the word out about how well ColdFusion performs. We need to get into schools and start teaching CFML and CFScript, and get out into the organizations that are running ColdFusion show them how ColdFusion can help them when moving forward instead of feeling they need to migrate away from ColdFusion to move forward. Growth will come with education. And back to the reason for this thread, ColdFusion biggest asset of being "Easy". Being easy is also one of ColdFusion's greatest weakness (IMHO). Just about anyone can put together some CFML that does something and run it against an Access DB. To me that is the beginning of a recipe for failure. I've seen some really bad CFML running against Access databases and the amount of badmouthing of ColdFusion coming from those places was horrendous. They had no clue the implementation was less than optimal, the code was bad or that Access was not ready for heavy load. Because ColdFusion is easy, means non-programmers can create CF apps and many if not most of those will fail. That's what I have seen and my opinion on those. I'd rather have a ColdFusion language that was a bit more difficult to learn so that real programmers programmed CF. I'm not being elitist or arrogant, I'm just expressing my opinion that has been based on what I have seen. It's up to everyone to step up and promote ColdFusion. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Jan 13, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Michael Grant <[email protected]> wrote: >> Unfortunately I don't Adobe has >> done much to dispel those myths. I hope I'm wrong. But I couldn't in good >> conscience tell a n00b to start learning CF over Ruby or PHP. > > Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages has come about > _without_ a company spending money on marketing. Those languages have > become popular because their users - their communities - have > evangelized and created tutorials and books and great free open source > software and so on. You can't lay the fault at Adobe's door... > -- > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340806 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
