No kidding, if evangelize any more, they are going to start calling us Apostles ;-) I have to agree with Michael. Marketing has been an issue throughout CF's history. Allaire was probably the last to do any decent marketing. Macromedia didn't do squat and neither has Adobe. How may "Death of CF" articles does it take to realize that there are some serious chunks of misinformation out there that haven't been cleared up by Adobe. We the developers can only do so much. When was the last time you saw a CF billboard? I see billboards for other enterprise level products like databases and even IDE's on the subways of Chicago because they know that CIO and other management also take those trains and they can get the word out. When was the last time you saw an ad in a tech rag or on a tech website? Yeah, Adobe's idea of a market is different from just about everyone else...its non-existent. How many times does a company have to look for CF devs and not find any before they move on to a different language?
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 19:18 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset? I didn't miss his point at all. Don't interpret a differing opinion as a lack of understanding. He's comparing free open source products (apples) to extremely expensive products (oranges) and saying the reason it isn't successful is because the community hasn't evangelized enough. I don't think that's accurate. It certainly seems obvious that Adobe and I have different opinions of what success is for ColdFusion. If Adobe thinks CF is successful in the marketplace then that's great. Good for them. As CF continues to lose devs they can continue to get a warm fuzzy that they've sold a few copies. I'll continue to love the language and lament that Adobe ever bought it. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Matt Quackenbush <quackfu...@gmail.com>wrote: > > Of course it is (now) Adobe's responsibility to make its offerings > (CF, in this case) successful in the marketplace. And CF **is** > extremely successful in the marketplace. You and Adobe's idea of > marketplace just happen to be two different things. But since their > business relies on their marketplace, their opinion is the only one > that matters. > > All of that said, you entirely missed Sean's point, which was, by the > way, accurate. :-) > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > > > It's not the responsibility of a company to make it's offerings > successful > > in the marketplace? > > If the success of CF isn't Adobe's responsibility then who's is it? > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340860 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
