I have been waiting for someone to talk about this on the list for a while.
We use FrontPage 2000 quite a bit for visual layout of tables and forms,
then we remotely (through the FP Explorer) rename the .html files to .cfm
when we are ready to do the CF part. Clicking on a .cfm file in FP Explorer
opens the .cfm file in CF Studio, so we never actually use the FP editor on
CFM files directly.
Here are the benefits:
1. Drag-and-drop file handling of FP is way more efficient than FTP.
2. Renaming images on a FP server will automagically change all of the links
in .htm and .html files. .CFM files are ignored. This is a HUGE
time saver.
3. The FP Explorer allows you to enter comments on each files, including
images, .cfm files, and .html files. This makes file management easier.
4. Visual layout of HTML tables and HTML forms is the fastest and most
intuitive anywhere.
5. Page Preview for HTML files works great.
6. You can CTRL-A (copy all) a web page in IE, then paste into the FP
editor. This saves time "reusing" code.
Here are the negatives of FP:
1. Not platform independent.
2. FP Extensions run as root, and are a Network Admin's nightmare.
3. FP Editor does not respect existing code structure.
4. PF Editor does not recognize CF.
5. There is no good workgroup session integrity to keep people from working
on the same file simultaneously.
I have never opened a .cfm file in FP itself. That would be idiotic.
FrontPage DOES cause some problems with code, too. No <TH> support, <BR>
tags in the wrong place, <font> tags in the wrong place, etc.
But the FP publish feature is a nice feature, and so is the preview feature
(for .html files only). And don't forget about the benefit of being able to
work LIVE off of the server without having to FTP. That is the single most
compelling reason to use FP - because by eliminating FTP, we can work a lot
faster. And we do not need to track down html file links... FP does that
for you.
IMHO the FTP functions and the Page Preview Functions of Studio suck wind.
So does the visual editor for page design when compared to FP.
It has been a while since I have used Dreamweaver(DW), but hopefully the
visual editing is a lot cleaner. But I would give up the ability to drag
and drop files to the server, which so far only the FP server extensions
allow. I would LOVE to get rid of FrontPage entirely, but currently it
saves us so much time (not needing an intranet server for projects, drag and
drop, etc.), that so far I have not had a compelling reason to get rid of
it.
Now that the merger has happened, I would drop FP in a second for
DreamWeaver, but it needs better visual editing, and it needs better server
support for link-checking, drag-drop, etc. If it already has these
features, then please excuse my ignorance of the product. Regardless, we
will be looking at DW a lot more closely because of the merger.
John McKown, VP Business Services
Delaware.Net, Inc.
30 Old Rudnick Lane, Suite 200 Dover, DE 19901
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 302-736-5515
fax: 302-736-5945
icq: 1495432
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cornillon, Matthieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:30 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF and FrontPage
>
>
> Looks like it's time for me to learn DreamWeaver. I am not good enough a
> programmer to take any extra confusion caused by FrontPage's alleged
> shenanigans. (I have some experience with these shenanigans
> myself, though
> I've learned to deal with most of them. But I am not ready to
> throw CF into
> the mix.)
>
> Thanks for everyone's feedback. By the way, the tally as I count
> it so far
> is:
>
> Pro-DW/Anti-FP: 7
> Pro-FP: 1
> No stunning endorsement either way: 2
>
> Matthieu
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shane Witbeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:36 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CF and FrontPage
> >
> >
> > I highly recommend Dreamweaver 4 over Frontpage.
> >
> > Shane Witbeck
> > www.digitalsanctum.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 4:45 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CF and FrontPage
> >
> >
> > Hmmm
> >
> > Haven't had a problem yet, am running CF4.5, Frontpage and
> > Flash 4 all on
> > the same machine.
> >
> >
> > Bob Lehman
> > New Horizon Mgmt and Consulting
> > 440-542-0992
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Website: www.nhmac.com
> > Client website: www.nhmac-user.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cornillon, Matthieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 1:46 PM
> > Subject: CF and FrontPage
> >
> >
> > > Hi. I have a development machine with ColdFusion
> > Studio/Server (single
> > > license) on it. For a couple of reasons, I'd like to
> > install FrontPage on
> > > the same machine to do some simple visual HTML editing that
> > can be a drag
> > in
> > > CFStudio. Someone suggested to me that FrontPage might
> > foul things up
> > > because of Personal Web Server or something else.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any thoughts/horror stories to share about this?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Matthieu
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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