At 01:55 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>On-topic relevance: Full computers with HTML renderers are one possible
>renderer for ColdFusion developers, but the action is increasing towards
>both high levels of complementary clientside interactivity, and portability
>and access away from the desktop.

I had to reread that three times, but I do agree. :)

>Hmm. But broadband isn't necessary to SWF at all. You'd want big pipes only
>if you're sending big media down.

Theoretically true, but the way most people implement Flash I do literally 
have a chance to go have a smoke while they load up when at home on a 
modem. Point in fact, I went to a flash site mentioned in this very thread 
and did that very thing. (Yes, I've started smoking again. No, it's not 
(entirely) related to Flash.)

>Good vector design can be considerably smaller than good pixel design,
>after all.

Amen. How I wish SVG was part of the current DHTML spec. Most flash sites 
don't take enough advantage of this fact however.

>You're also dealing with a single streamable file, rather than with a
>variety of HTTP negotiations starting and stopping.

I'm not currently up on how streamable swf internal contents are. If 
HTTP2.x would throw in some 2-way sat friendly sub-protocols (ie, multiple 
gets/posts, etc per connection) this wouldn't be as much of an issue with http.

>If you send two megabytes of MP3-compressed audio, then it will for sure be
>two megabytes of data regardless. But just as you don't have to put that in
>an HTML page to go out and fetch, you don't have to put that within that
>single streaming SWF file.
>
>Summary: Media costs are independent of delivery format.

I think the bottom line of all of this is there are a lot of bad Flash 
designers out there that have jaded a lot of folks, including myself, to 
Flash. I could give you a long list of names of friends and relatives 
(non-technical folk) who curse at the sight of Flash (unless it involves 
Osma bin Lauden and Cruise Missiles). Now I don't believe that's the 
reaction Macromedia intended /-) but thats' just how it is, not because of 
the technology itself, but how's it's usually implemented.

(If it means anything I did used to watch the Flash ads in gamespy before I 
registered it without too much agitation. Most of those are <60 or 70k 
however and produced by the military, hardware companies and/or Gamespy 
itself.)

Anyway...

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