Dave,

Hehe - got your dander up a bit eh? I think I agree with every point you
made
(except the part about using VI if they want to... aught to be outlawed
<g>).

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 7:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: UltraDev


> Macromedia have diminished your right to use a third party
> WYSIWYG HTML editor with ColdFusion Studio 5.

I think this is kind of silly. You're free to use whatever WYSIWYG editor
you want - or use none at all.

> Thay have attempted to FORCE you to not only purchase Studio
> 5 but also Ultradev 4.0.x.

How have they attempted to force this? As far as I can tell, you can either
buy one or the other separately, or you can buy them bundled. They may merge
the products in the future, but your complaint seems premature to me.

> The latter product is severely lacking in it's current form.

I can't think of a WYSIWYG editor for CGI programs which isn't.

> Most CF developers could not care less about "visual development".

Those developers (myself included) can stick with CF Studio 5, or vi for
that matter.

> Ultradev asssists in some ways but generally hinders in others.
> Use it for a while, especially in ColdFusion 'code complex'
> situations. Ultradev is a good start but way off what serious
> developers need.

I agree. Ultradev, by itself, is not a sufficient development tool. Maybe,
though, if the guys at Macromedia thought about it, they'd bundle this
design tool with a good text editor. Oh, wait...

> Can someone tell me what UltraDev adds to the Cold Fusion
> Studio? I looked at the product description and could not really
> get what I would have if I had CF Sudio 5 Ultradev versus CF
> Studio 5. I am contemplating whether it is worth the money
> to renew my alliance.

It adds ... Ultradev. If you like Ultradev, you can buy the bundle for less
than buying each separately. If you don't like Ultradev, you can just buy
Studio. If the only value you get from your alliance is a tools discount,
and you can pay less to just get Studio, then I guess it isn't worth
renewing.

> Save your money and stick with CF 4.5.2 if you value the
> one-click method of opening your current template into your
> preferred editor. CFS 5 removes the choice - the same is
> said with the CSS editor - TopStyle.

I have both Studio and Ultradev installed, and if I double-click on a CFM
file, it opens Studio. If I wanted to change that, I could edit the registry
or use the "File Types" dialog and have it open whatever I like.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444
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