Alpha was very closed. Beta 1 is now out to a limited number of users (there is still some stuff and docs that is incomplete). Beta 2 will be for far more users (and no, I cannot give you a beta 2 date yet).
If you feel like you should be part of the beta right now e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] No promises though. Just explain why you need it now, and how you'll be able to contribute to the product. (And I'd not threat as your reason). --- Ben -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bug in CF 5's FirstDayOfMonth? Well guess what, I even beta tested Studio, but as the docs where never finalized until after the RC's how are we to know this. Besides I rely on my books and memory of the functions and very rarely use the Help files in Studio or even the books that come with it. I used to rely more on Ben's books, but even that I haven't touched for over a year, I used the online docs for the newer features of CF5.0 and only for the newer features as most of maybe do. P.S this is also one complaint I made to Allaire, about the beta process. Because as a tester, we are not able to test the final product before release as it goes internal for testing. And due to this there are bugs in there that have remained in there for a very long time, but as we who have been around CF for a long time know how to get around these it becomes second nature for us. So I guess we loose site of these, even those that were posted in the bug list get removed for the next beta release and we have to start all over again. I have been around computers for 22 years, 10 of these have been with the games industry and have worked in the QA department. So I am well aware of how QA works on software, and my point here is that there is too much emphasis by marketing and the public to get the product out there. But if in the last public RC we find a bug, it would be good if we are able to test it and report if it is fixed before going to RFM. I can understand the reason for it going in house for testing as the games industry was the same when I worked in it, but software is different especially something off this nature we might be the only one with the right combination to get this bug to happen. I might sound a little annoyed maybe I am, as I have tried to get into the Alpha program of Neo for a specific reason and even emailed that reason and the Application that I was designing and why it would not work under CF5.0 now that I have been a part of the .Net program I guess then unless I can get beta access now this project will never be done in CF and the likely hood of me continuing with CF in the future will be slim. Unless MM is prepared to listen to us long time developers, then I am moving on. I have been toying with this in .Net and it will work, but I was more interested to bringing this to CF as I have been a loyal developer of CF for nearly 5 years. I think it is great and is headed for great things, but if we are not going to be listened to then why bother with a product that is released buggy, needs patches moments after its release that as a tester we know are there and find that we here nothing about fixes until after the products release via patches. This is very expensive software, and I for one am tired of forking out big $$$ for the next release that I know is buggy right from the word go. I mean I posted a bug in CF Studio 4.5, where sometimes when I click the tab for the dock able windows it will sometimes undock itself. No one else at Allaire was able to reproduce it, well guess what I had to re report this in CF5.0 and it still did not get fixed, I hope you are getting where I am coming from here. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2002 2:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bug in CF 5's FirstDayOfMonth? Welp, this is why using Livedocs is so cool. It allows us to find small stuff that has been missed. :) ======================================================================= Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia ______________________________________________________________________ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server � PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation � $99/Month � Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
