This doesn't directly align with the standardization argument, but it still bespeaks a major disadvantage of NS. What about mentioning that it's difficult for us to reccommend the NS browsers to our Intranet type clients because it doesn't offer the same rich non-standard features that IE does? In those environments we can expolit IE coolness, but what does NS offer in comparision?
btw, you can add my name. ~Val Criswell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew R. Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing classes) > Here's my rough draft. Anybody got anything to add? > > - Matt Small > > > Dear Mr. Case, > > We are a group of internet designers/ developers that have come > together to express our dissatisfaction with the Netscape line of > browsers. > Developing for Netscape is more than a headache for web designers > and developers. It means money spent for time when developing a new > site for multiple browsers; it means having to code for the lowest > common denominator in browsers and using the least number of features > available. It means that people have different technologies to access > the same medium, and they get different, unequal experiences. None of > these things are good for the internet. > Let us use an analogy: If our television were to get Time-Warner > Cable, with every channel from HBO to Fox News, and your different brand > of television received the same cable line but the top 30 channels were > fuzzy, and then advertisements appeared much different than when the > designers created them, what kind of experience would that be? You have > advertisers unhappy because their messages do not get across to a > maximum sized audience; some of the audience gets the newest and > fastest, while parts of it just stay the same because they don't know > how to change. Television programmers go crazy trying to figure out what > is viable viewing and what isn't. > We are not trying to condone a monopoly by any company, especially > Microsoft, but rather a standard which must be set and achieved. > Internet Explorer sets the defacto standard in usability, functionality, > and features. Netscape needs to step up or step out. Netscape 6.X still > does not meet the standard. > > We hope you get this and understand our position. > > Thank you for you time. > > Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mark Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Katherine Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing > classes) > > I'm up for anything involving slagging off NS! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 16 April 2002 17:58 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing > classes) > > > I'm busy writing a letter to Steve Case (Chairman of the board, AOL Time > Warner, owner of Netcrap), and I am asking to PLEASE kill this one. > > Anybody else interested in doing this? [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I don't know > if he'll get it or not, but I'll try. > > > Omigosh... this is so good... I just went to Steve Case's website using > Netcrap 4.08... the page loads and reloads and reloads again... to > infinity. I guess even the owners can't get netscape to work properly. > If you try this, let me know if you get the same reaction. > > http://www.aoltimewarner.com/corporate_information/bio/CaseSteph.adp > > - Matt Small > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:00 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing > classes) > > that is definitely some difference! I would just like to state here for > the > record that I also hate Netscape. Anyway......what's the code you're > using > in the style sheet? Also how are you laying the page out? (i.e. tables > etc...) > > Ta, > Kath > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 16 April 2002 17:00 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing > classes) > > > Here is the code that I am using for all of my select boxes. Only the > names change. > > <select name="expmonth" class="box"> > > For a view of the ridiculous crap that is going on, I took screenshots > of the page in both netscape > http://www.showstopperonline.com/netscape408.jpg > And internet explorer 6.0 http://www.showstopperonline.com/ie6.jpg > > The only difference between the pages is that the resolution is smaller > on the netscape page. I can't believe the difference! > > And I just decided to check out my page in the latest - netscape 6 NONE > OF MY JAVASCRIPT WORKS! I click on the button, nothing happens! > Doesn't NS6 have javascript support??? I HATE NETSCAPE! > > - Matt Small > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:40 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing > classes) > > class properties should not break the selects, but lower-end Netscape > browsers do sometimes have a tendency to pick and choose what it wants > to > display from css! Are you including it in the select tag or from a style > sheet? How is it breaking them? > > Kath > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 16 April 2002 16:42 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: CSS and Netscape - was(CSS and dynamically changing > classes) > > > Thanks Dave! > I decided to use the visibility property after I got this going. > > On another note - I decided to view my page in Netscape 4.08. I was in > for a HUGE shock. My page, which uses CSS mostly at the most basic > level, totally breaks my page. Selects don't work at all when I have > the class property in the tag. Does this mean that the Netscape 4 > series browsers are totally off limits for CSS? > > - Matt Small > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bosky, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:05 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CSS and dynamically changing classes > > I usually use onfocus/onblur: > > <INPUT TYPE="text" NAME="name" VALUE="" SIZE=30 > onfocus="style.backgroundColor='gray'; style.color='white'" > onblur="style.backgroundColor='white'; style.color='black'"> > > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:57 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: CSS and dynamically changing classes > > Hi everybody, > I have a form where a text input box become available for use > only if a certain slection is made. What I want to do is have the color > of the text box be grey if it is not available and normal color (which > is purple in my case) if it is available. > I can handle the css which makes it grey, and the javascript > which makes it non-focusable until the correct selection is made, but I > need it to change color. > > I tried (as an educated guess) > If (select.selectedIndex == 8) { > form.nameoftextbox.class = "sameclassasrest";} > > and > > If (select.selectedIndex == 8) { > form.nameoftextbox.style = "sameclassasrest";} > > but neither worked for me. > > Can I do this and how? > > Thank you, > Matt Small > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
