Mmmkay,

For what its worth, there is NO java (or otherwise) html wysiwyg editor
that can be delivered to a real-world mac user base.  There are MAYBE a
couple possibilities if you can add the caveat MAC 0S X as a base
platform. (Pie in the sky requirement today)

We are delivering web based CMS solutions to a campus of 5000 users
about 3500 of which are on MAC pre OSX machines.  You might ask, How the
&^%##& do we do this?!?  

Well, its not too hard.  We are using ektron eMpower, but we could have
adapted eWebeditpro, or ActiveEdit as well.  How?  Well, we run a
browser/os check as the user goes to the /admin section to begin editing
the page.  If they have an os or browser version that wont work with
these fine tools, we simply direct their request through a windows
terminal server that launches an IE 5.5 instance on their screen.  

Yeah, I know, you're thinking, "Hey, there isn't a java based Windows
Terminal Server Client".  Well, with much digging, there are some nice
German boys that have one and it works great, Java 1.1 compliant even!
http://www.hobsoft.com 

The end effect is somewhat transparent to the user.  The page takes
about 5 seconds to load (start the java object and make the connection
to the terminal service). Using the application hosting features the
user only sees the IE window, once closed the session ends.  As such
they can now login and use those nifty PC only and IE only widgets we
all love.

Cost wasn't too bad.  The Terminal Services come with Win2k Servers, you
have to purchase some user licenses (concurrent users). About 25/user as
I recall, and then you can either purchase named accounts from hobsoft
or concurrent users.  I want to say we paid 175/concurrent user with
them. 

 I would strongly recommend throwing up a dedicated box for the terminal
server, but isn't required.  It really just depends on your user load.
Its almost 100% CPU load bound.  A 1.4ghz single cpu would support 20
concurrent users, adding the second cpu to our server hopped us to 40
concurrent users. If your need is higher, both of the services support
clustering and load failover.  At this point, even with our user base,
we haven't needed more concurrent users.

If you find a tool out today that can more elegantly handle this WYSIWYG
tool, I'ld like to see it, but I spent literally months evaluating
solutions, vendor products, evaluations, etc, etc. And this was the only
solution that could be delivered TODAY. We will likely move to ektron's
java tool when it is released, but the rumor mill indicates it will only
support osx.  Our current solution is 8.6 stable.


Trey Rouse
Internet Project Coordinator
Web Services - Rice University
MS 119 - 713.348.4799


-----Original Message-----
From: James Sleeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 7:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG HTML editors (a'la soEditor) for Macs ?

On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 00:19, Tim Painter wrote:
> Don't know if this will work, but try http://editize.com/index.php  --
they
> have a java based editor that may fit the bill.

Looks swish, but doesn't support images (or tables, but that's not so
important), and Java support pre OSX sucks on Macs (no 1.3, can get
Swing but it's a pain) so it probably wouldn't even work on them.



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