Wait... They might tell us something we want to hear? They might provide us with useful information? That's not a compelling argument for me to stay away from them.
I'm not an Adobe employee or shareholder. I have no commitment to their brand beyond what the strength of their product dictates. I'm on the list and interested in the UG's because hey - I think the product is pretty strong. But I'm certainly not going to put my fingers in my ears and avoid other ideas because they might be compelling. End of the day - I'm going to use the best tool for my requirements and project constraints. 90% of the time for me thats Cold Fusion, in combination with Microsoft Databases or Microsoft Servers, to deliver services to users on Microsoft workstations using Microsoft Browsers. I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of things Microsoft could say to me that would be useful and interesting - that wouldn't require any significant changes in my platform. But if they did have something to say that persuaded half the CF community to shift to .net? That would be a big screaming sign to me that I should go look at this .Net crap a bit more closely. Because nothing I've seen about the platform should be that persuasive. And if they have that kind of persuasion available - where we hold the UG won't matter a bit. On 3/13/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We care because of the agenda. If Microsoft want to just help CF community > with the agenda to just push SQL and other complimentary products to CF then > that would be fine. If the agenda is to push competing products then I think > it's not appropriate and Adobe would be silly to allow this. > > .NET has some compelling arguments, if half the CF community move to it as a > result of MS push then we care > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Sean Bucklar > Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:27 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. > > > What strings are you expecting them to attach? > > Of course Microsoft have an Agenda. But why do we care? We all know > that Microsoft want to schmooze developers to maintain their market > share - but really, why do we care? Schmooze me! Give me some swag, > broadband and beer. Its not going to change my professional assessment > of their products. That's going to continue to be based on an active > assessment of their products, not the marketing crap. > > But I'm still perfectly happy to take their freebies as offered. > > I don't really expect the M$ Gestappo to show up and brand us as Adobe > fans and ship us off to ghetto's for .Net lessons. And if they start > pressuring presenters over content? We'll move the UG somewhere else. > > On 3/13/07, Gareth Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there > > offices? with no strings attached? > > > > Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City? > > > > Cheers > > Gareth. > > > > > > > > Scott Barnes wrote: > > Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho > > theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) > > > > I will buy your love hows that :) > > > > On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in > a > > place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer > in > > the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they > > don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug > their > > laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like > > Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. > > > > We did discuss options for recording "off-line", using tools such as > > Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're > > talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to > > have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big > > (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to > find > > a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has > no > > time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. > I'll > > understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to > > offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. > > > > /Charlie > > http://www.carehart.org/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Scott Barnes > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. > > > > > > Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... > > > > Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web > cam? > > > > On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you "don't think > > it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content", > > what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or > > the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? > > > > I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, > > that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. > > You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a > > concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for > > video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. > > > > Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so > > it would be wonderful to see it recorded. > > > > /Charlie > > http://www.carehart.org/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Gareth Edwards > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. > > > > > > Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online > > user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to > > record our user group meeting's content. > > > > Cheers > > Gareth. > > > > Charlie Arehart wrote: > > > > > > Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat > > Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys > > need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like > > a very compelling presentation. :-) > > > > /Charlie > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Cheers > Sean Bucklar > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- Cheers Sean Bucklar [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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