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It wasn't meant as a dig, I actually thought that since Geoff had posted about warnings and you had gone quiet that you had been banned (as did most others by the survey). When compiling the list of survey options, I was killing myself laughing reading through the emails. Regards Dale Fraser <http://dalefraser.blogspot.com> http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 1:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Dale, Actually even though it was a dig at me, I still see the humorous side of the Where is AS survey. I have also started to have a play with Orcas, mind you I only came across a Virtual instance of Orcas the first time and when trying to run it, it was asking for another vhd with something to do with time limit. Anyway that product certainly has evolved over time, however my main interest was to look more into Silverlight and WPF. Btw I also reported the sum wrong on the previous post it wasn't 6 figures, it was actually 7 and almost 8 figures. And the story is sketchy, but I know that they spent this in a space of 6 months (from what I am hearing by those working on the project) and got nothing for their money and this included licensing and infrastructure on, including Coldfusion, Vignette (I think I spelt that right) to name the majority of the costs involved. But they were very impressed in what we delivered in a shorter time, than what was previously delivered to them. But let's say they are where reluctant for anyone to come in an discuss what was already discussed to move forward. Like the old saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 12:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Andrew, As I said, everyone here thought the thread was funny. I welcome everyone's opinion and as I know you I don't think you are just being a dickhead. Perhaps others who don't know you think your just out to bag ColdFusion and they don't realise that you've been a CF developer for 10 years. Personally I'm interested in the stories where CF looses people to other technologies and their reasons. I know that not everyone agrees with your price argument, but I think it makes sense, while you may have been able to do an OEM deal, who knew (not me) and sometimes decisions get made and even though you fight for a different solution, you sometimes loose. I've been evaluating Visual Studio 9 (Orcas) and quite like .NET, but while CF remains affordable, while I can get good people and while Adobe continue to support ColdFusion, we are unlikely to move. Moving to .NET in our case would cost more in Visual Studio licences than CF costs in Enterprise licence. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 12:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [cfaussie] Re: VOT: Where Is AS Dale, Whether people think I am a dickhead, or an arse. The fact is that the trend of Coldfusion in the Enterprise market is changing, I voiced that after taking the survey. So to take a survey like this Dale, is childish to say the least. I mean I know you personally, and you have voiced your same opinions on the cost of products in the past, the only difference I backed it up with trends that are real facts. The stupid thing is, I was only relaying what I see and what was happening with us as a company. We picked up 2 clients in the last 6 months who had their website / intranet systems written in Coldfusion. We as a company also went with the wishes of our clients, and that did not include Coldfusion. One was an Enterprise solution the other, is to fit within our product strategy and we pitched our idea and won based on that. And the other client was burned by the previous developer, and ended up spending a great deal of money, 6 figures and being a large international company has damaged us as Coldfusion developers. We are also pitching for another very large contract, based on our product model and we are also very close to signing that deal as well, and again it doesn't include Coldfusion Enterprise. I wish that it wasn't happening, and if I can do anything to help change the swing back to Coldfusion I would certainly do that and that is what people seemed to have not understood. 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