Allow me to retort to one and all, in a final response and last response
I'll make on CFAussie (yes, you've succeed in running this .NET git out of
town, horse and all).
- *I was ontopic.* As many folks and I discussed, I should of approached
the wording with more sensitivity (many I have IM'ed stated it was too
heavy and they got what I meant, but went about it wrong), in which I do
apologise, as it wasn't my intent to create red flag the masses around
Coldfusion. It was in fact, trying to deliver the bad news first, and
then follow up with the good news, ways to judo flip the strength into a
weakness if you will. It's something I've noticed at the level I'm at, in
that no matter what hurdle a brand will put in front of you, there is always
a weakness and the trick is to remain calm and simply judo flip it. Folks
like Geoff seem to believe that opinions are to be considered commandments,
when in fact, it's just an opinion, an independent thought for you to
agree/disagree with.
Why resent it? ie what part annoys you the most? is it because you fear
that I'm right? or do you feel that I'm pushing a right when it's actually a
wrong. What if for giggles, i was right, what now? do you just pack it in
and move on? I think the real fighting mongrel within some here is that if
you can focus your energy on my 'behaviour' you'll in turn prove the day.
You possibly fear that I'm enticing you to adopt .NET like it's some game
I'm playing with your careers, like it's going to somehow give me a massive
career boost to win your hearts & minds over to the .NET banner.
If you're thinking like this, than I'd urge you to reconsider the notion
that .NET is evil. As right now, you can take the positioned statistics as
one of two things:
a) *Blasphemy.* It's to be stricken from the record and never spoken of
ever again. Coldfusion is growing in numbers, Adobe says its important to
them and why would they lie. We all march forward and get rid of the .NET
seed from our village of coldfusioners.
b) *Opportunity*. Adobe have handed you one of the only .NET integration
pieces in their entire product stack. What do you want to do with it
tomorrow? how can you build a bridge between the CF camp and .NET camp so
that you, not Adobe, Evangelise it's future. I forget whom said it, but they
nailed it right in that the only ones whom are saying "CF is dead" are the
ones whom are within the CF community. Externally, it CF has rarely come up
- which openly and honestly, pisses me off. As i'm actually at heart, a
CF Zealot :)
Simple rule with statistics and I'll quote it - *If you agree or
acknowledge it, then you will surely prove it to be true.
*
Statistics aren't always the whole story, in that if we all relied on
statistics then Silverlight for example would of lost NBC to Flash, and
everyone would of moved on. It doesn't work like that, and you'll see a lot
of statistics going forward being thrown around as each brand looks to prove
a point with one another, my line of thinking is simple. Flash has 98% of
deployment, yes, but I see that as being 98% of consumers having the
opportunity now to choose something different. That's my over-arching point
to this thread, don't subscribe to statistics as they only tell you the
score for that one particular game. It doesn't define the overall outcome,
as just like in sport, there's always a new season.
But Geoff seems to believe i'm SOAP Boxing, which implies I'm doing it
for an agenda? Yeah, seeing a language I still enjoy, continuing , despite
this Adobe vs Microsoft battle, i never once said I hated Coldfusion :) -
being agnostic when you work for a brand is actually extremely hard to
prove, despite the intent being there.. something I'll never get used to.
That and you're just not allowed to be, as it sends a confusing message.
- *The games up, you got me, I tried to trick you all into adopting .NET
*. I actually never once set out convince anyone on this list to adopt
.NET (despite being accused of this many times), but merely wanted to
provide an alternative view to the mainstream thinking of pure "CF all the
way, here we go". As Jason put it, I'm no longer this nutter whom was an
ex-full time-CF'er and now have to recognise that I'm seen as purely a
Microsoftee sitting in an Adobe list. I had thought in this list, that
would not be true, given the past 10 years or so i've interacted with
folks here on all walks of life that they in turn would see past this as
this being the one list I could kind of take the jersey off, in that, I post
here in what I'd regard as my offline thinking. I rarely interact with he
help threads, as some of the questions stump me myself (as i've lost a
lot of my CF leaning's and I hate to admit it, but I use this list to keep
me abreast of the ongoing changes in CF, as not doing it Fulltime can
dull the mind so to speak). I often will enter a discussion that attacks the
soft skills as I feel I have value to offer here, given the rank I've been
given here at Microsoft and the full view of what the industries movements
are at such rank (I'm not being arrogant or egotistical, just trying to
highlight that I'm constantly surrounded by the best minds (my team/division
here at Microsoft) in the industry whom have a diverse background - Apple,
Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft, IBM etc..) so with their experience,
i'mlooking at ways I can share my own learning's with others. Are they
right?
*(shrug)* how you define what's right anymore? you simply echo your thoughts
out loud, wait for a response and if 2/3rds agree, its a good chance it's
right. If they disagree, you dialogue some more to find the flaws..
I'm not interested in converting you from CF to .NET, I gain zero for it.
- *After many years here, it's annoying to leave.* I must confess, two
thoughts roll through my head on this. I feel embarrassed to be run out of
town so to speak, but at the same time what annoys me the most is that it's
official that there is no such thing as offline from Microsoft. Something,
I've had many folks tell me internally that this company's past, present and
future mistakes can be the burden you carry going forward, whether you think
it's fair or isn't. I liked this forum, as to me it was a place to learn
from one another for one, and secondly had great networking possibilities
and lastly it was once a collective group of folks whom didn't subscribe to
brand politics.
The truth is, I've not adjusted my rants or posting habits whilst here,
if you look over the past 5+ years of my posts here, i never once sugar
coated what I felt was the truth, and always spoke my mind, folks would
often comment on this at various Aussie conferences / user groups. Some
loved it, others hated it but it was none the less respected. It's how I got
my job here at Microsoft, as I was hired because of my passion and open
honesty. The same passion and honesty is what got me promoted from being 1
year in the field, to now being a product manager for one of the biggest
products since Windows/Office here at Microsoft - WPF & Silverlight.
It comes at high cost though, firstly some of the Adobe folks with whom i
knew from the Macromedia days, basically are now at opposite ends. As the
entire battle or politics around the battle, has just spilled over and we
are both to blame really. It all started with Ted & I bickering over my
choice to join Microsoft and has escalated beyond the point of control, and
in parts, many have joked that it kicked off the Microsoft vs Adobe battle.
Something I'm really not proud of. I mention this as this was the list
where I thought the rules were suspended, and yet, the reality is they
aren't :) as despite 10years of knowing folks like Andrew Muller
and Barry Beattie
etc, we don't interact like we used to, we now interact as me being the
Microsoft guy and them being the technologists. I never understood how I
allowed that to happen, but clearly on this list it's not isolated and one
day post Microsoft, I'd love to sit down and analyse how that occurred.. as
it would be interesting to see how brand impacts persona's (Ever read a book
called Jennifer
Government<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Government>,
well worth the read).
I've enjoyed being part of the Aussie CF community, and I owe my career
to the lessons being taught be folks within.
*A little dirt before I go :)*
The worst episode of this list was when folks pitched the idea to black
list a member from not only the list, but job prospects (all using back
channels). I was invited to lead the charge, and I not only objected but
faught hard to stifle that idea fast, as despite the various opinions on
this particular person, he has good moments as well as bad, and to propose
ruining anyones career because of a personality clash is in my opinion is
the lowest of all acts.
I've enjoyed CF community for many years and given my new career path and
move to corporate head quarters here in the US, I do miss the days when
brand politics never consumed as much as it has. I've loved working with
most of you on various projects and I've learnt heaps from this little list.
I hope you keep it off topic as much as on-topic, as there is heaps to be
learnt from both. I think also folks need to endure more patience and less
attacking, as in the past many of the best CF'ers i've known have departed
this list with a bad taste in their mouth over the level of ignornace at
times (I'll not name, as that would be unfair to them to put them in a
difficult position, suffice to say, look over whom has come and gone and ask
why?)
*To Geoff,*
Your remarks both pissed me off and disappointed me at the same time. I
could provide a proportional response around many things in your own
behaviour as well as unload some dirt or two, but in doing so would only
fuel more threads like this. Suffice to say, i found our actions cowardly
and am glad I turned down your offer to work for Daemon and went with
Microsoft's instead, as I had a feeling the persona you portray vs the way
you act are two different things. My gut feeling was right.
That being said, It's annoying that it's come to this level of discussion
and in such a public way.
That's it :) last rant, officially signing off CFAussie for the final time
and won't read your response, attacks, abuse, praises etc. This .NET
fanboihas been officially run out of town, but before I do depart, one
thing I'd
like to nip in the butt.
After all the responses, did anyone answer Taco's question?
-
Scott Out.
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