@Dale and Andrew I don't think he made the call by himself, he definitely gave the reasons why though, well only 1 really, can't find enough CF developers...
@ Robin I think getting into Uni is not so much get them using as a base for teaching the programming, pascal -> C++/Java does a fantastic job already. But maybe encourage students to use it for their projects (esp final year projects). @mpicker Thanks for that nugget of info of adobe not throwing in CF into the deal, adds to the case that Adobe can do a lot more in these parts... On May 27, 11:32 pm, Barry Beattie <[email protected]> wrote: > don't forget that Microsoft actively woo University tutors, young > instructors and students with various programs. The relationship > between the teaching staff at Q.U.T and Microsoft is a bit too close > for my liking as far as probity, but I've lost my links to demonstrate > this, and it might be old outdated news. It's been a few years since I > worked there. > > but I mean, how can Adobe do anything with the likes of this? > Especially since it's a good relationship/deal for students. > > http://www.mquter.qut.edu.au/http://www.itnews.com.au/News/103828,microsoft-giving-away-dev-tools-...https://student-partners.com/default.aspx > > barry.b > > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Andrew Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > Would have been a lively meeting i'm sure :) > > > Not saying it applies in this case, I think there is a belief that if > > developers for a particular technology are scarce they cost more, if they're > > plentiful they cost less (in theory). .NET has appealed to some I've worked > > for because they can always tells us they are one day going to send all our > > work offshore. > > > I don't necessarily subscribe to this point of view myself but I think it's > > how > > > On 27/05/2010, at 10:38 PM, "Dale Fraser" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Interestingly enough we had the man himself that made this decision at the > >> Melbourne ColdFusion User Group tonight. > > >> And he has valid reasons for moving on, the main one being that they > >> already > >> have a lot of .NET developers and have had trouble recruiting CF > >> developers > >> so made the decision to just have a single technology. > > >> I think this isn't such a bad decision, in that business. > > >> Regards > >> Dale Fraser > > >>http://dale.fraser.id.au > >>http://cfmldocs.com > >>http://learncf.com > >>http://flexcf.com > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >> Behalf > >> Of Barry Beattie > >> Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 9:52 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet > > >>> TAFEs have a different problem. Teaching specific technologies is part of > > >> their brief. There is some limited curriculum material available (based on > >> the commercial courses) for vocational colleges to teach using the Adobe > >> products, but what TAFEs need are teachers with the skills to teach these > >> languages. > > >> me me me. That's how I was brought, kicking and screaming, to CF - I > >> had to teach it. I've been looking, Robin, but no TAFE's are looking > >> for experienced and qualified CF teachers in my city. You hear of one? > >> let me know, OK? > > >>> Adobe can't magic these people into being - they have to come from the > > >> community. If you're a contractor or a full timer looking to moonlight as > >> an evening instructor, have you considered approaching your local TAFE or > >> community college and offering to run a web development course? Emma > >> Jones > >> (nee Steer, some of you may remember her as the Canberra Macromedia UG > >> manager for several years) has been having some success with Flash and the > >> local TAFEs around Wangaratta. Maybe someone with some pedagogical bent > >> could start a wiki for lesson plans and extra course material and ideas > >> for > >> people who wanted to get into this. > > >> I would have thought that a barometer to do that would be the strength > >> of short courses delivering this. > > >> Brisbane North TAFE (my employer until earlier this year) has sewn up > >> the TAFE short course scene with their Adult Community Education > >> courses (over a weekend or so). But to be honest, they get more go > >> from lead-lighting and wine appreciation than computer languages. It's > >> a Micky-Mouse operation and practically anyone can offer something to > >> them. If they reckon their cut is worthwhile, they might listen. > > >> The only other way courses could be delivered out of the TAFE system > >> is either accredited (you get a qualification - CertIII,Cert IV, Dip) > >> and CF would be one platform to learn on > > >> or non-accredited specialist short courses. > > >> Both delivered out of faculty, not third-party (you have teachers with > >> tenure to consider here). FYI Brisbane Nth (Ithaca campus) has IMHO > >> the best reputation for IT for all the Brisbane TAFE's. > > >> I've designed courses while at QANTM up to Diploma level (it's not > >> hard if you know what you're doing) that incorporated CF. > > >> There is a real need to do pre-testing before admittance - an aptitude > >> test. At QANTM any Diploma course, the hard break-even (class > >> size/enrollments) was 12. 15 was a soft break-even that got you some > >> cred to get resources. Class sizes of 20 or more guaranteed it would > >> run next year. Two or more classes of 20 means they would look at a > >> mid-year intake as well. I was never able to get those numbers so the > >> course couldn't fly (and that was with 3 languages - CF, PHP and > >> ASP.NET/C# - on two platforms - Linux and Win - with a decent section > >> on Flash/Flex apps and a bit on video streaming). > > >> Half a dozen people sitting in a 3 day short-course delivered by a > >> private training provider is as much as you can expect, methinks. You > >> certainly couldn't do that every week for the instructor to pay their > >> mortgage... > > >> my opinion only. No cents offered here. 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