Thanks for the clarification. I'll leave others to debate things / assist further at this point. :-)
/charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:19 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC we had a demo of FW/1 at our CFUG last week and even though yes it is stripped down regarding the framework itself, you still had the folder structure as in root - views - controller and so on, and just to get a simple output still required too many files for my liking. I also didn't like the way it threw all of the scoped variables into the request scope. Just asking for trouble doing that if you ask me..having name conflicts and scoped vars overriding others because everything is in the request scope. I guess maybe i am looking for something that doesn't call things so implicitly. I want to be able to call the controller myself rather than relying on files being in certain places to be able to call them _____ From: charlie arehart [mailto:charlie_li...@carehart.org] Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2010 12:56 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC Are you aware of FW/1? http://fw1.riaforge.org/ It is still MVC, but it's a single file. It's just not clear which is the bigger real pain for you, MVC or lots of files. :-) With FW/1, the two are no longer mutually inclusive. /charlie From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:39 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC Conceptually i agree though i just dont want to use the folder structure that all of the MVC frameworks tend to use. I like the idea of having a controller that i can swap out different models with (database or whatever), i just dont like the requirement to have files in all of those folders. I just find it messy. Again, not looking for this to become another framework war, just looking for alternatives, something to couple the views to the model, just a controller _____ From: Peter Robertson [mailto:pe...@p-robertson.com] Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2010 12:26 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Frameworks and MVC Actually, Fusebox can be used non-mvc and my old, earlier Fusebox versions code is all non-mvc. (I understand Mark's point, ie, request/response basically means that there is an implied controller, model and view, even if this isn't formalised.) Given that the latest Fusebox can be used without xml, I'm pretty sure you could set it up that way without mvc. I would personally find it harder now that I'm really accustomed to the mvc way of thinking, and the overhead of mvc with Fusebox is mostly about directories and a couple of config files (although the convention approach now possible removes even the extra configs), you still use the same amount of code overall except for this. What is it you actually want from a framework Steve? Peter On 2 June 2010 12:12, Mark Mandel <mark.man...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm not 100% sure how a web app could be anything other than some form of MVC, even one without a framework. When you say 'MVC', what do you mean? Trying to work out what you want to avoid. Mark On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Steve Onnis <st...@cfcentral.com.au> wrote: Is there a framework that does not use MVC? I am open to the thought of utilising a framework though i hate the idea of the MVC model. Personally i just think there are too many files to work with. 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