Peter

Another reason why CFFORM is evil and "cannot be killed by conventional weapons".

Andrew

Peter Firminger wrote:
We are trying to set up an informal group to meet and discuss Web
Standards. By this we mean the many issues covered by webstandards.org,
W3C's Web Accessibility Initiative (http://www.w3.org/WAI/) etc.

Issues will focus on (output) code validity and will include (at least
from me) the issues around making sure that the code produced by Content
Management Systems (specifically web based HTML editors) and ColdFusion in
general, does not affect site code validity.

We will also cover topics like full CSS 2.0 layout (tableless sites) and
the related browser issues and workarounds, media types, usability issues
across the board, general best practise in the above and whatever you want
to discuss along these lines.

We've already come across a number of CFMX bugs and nuances in this field
and the solutions to some of them so it would be of great benefit to me to
have other CF developers present that can offer other solutions. Try
validating a CFM/XHTML page that uses a CFFORM. The workaround there is to
save the source code, fix it and hard code the script and form tags back
in. A very ugly solution!

Now I know that only the really anal (like me and my fellow developers)
are concerned about being able to validate every page on a website using
the W3C validators (*HTML and CSS) but there is a growing need for these
issues to be brought to the surface, especially in Government websites
where accessibility across multiple device types is a mandate. What do I
mean by validity? http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://daemon.com.au/
(sorry Daemon, happened to have your site open and hit the "Validate
button"). The browser manufacturers are now close to getting it right so
it's about time the developers did too.

If you are Sydney based, and are even slightly interested in the
application of Web Standards to your coding practices, please see
http://webboy.net/news.cfm?itemid=1 (yes it was the first entry) or
contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly for more info.

Peter Firminger


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Certified Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion Developer
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