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www.ritlabs.com Tuesday, March 4, 2003, 4:02:32 PM, you wrote: SB> I have one important question: HTF did you get SB>> reply to tags for my message. SB> My ultimate comeback for a situation like this, is to take 1 wooden bat, SB> apply to one hax0rerer teeny bopper and pound away. Case closed :D SB> Scott SB> "Toby Tremayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> good points but a couple of rebuttals ;) >> >> SB> Can you lock someone into a contract stating they cannot work for a >> SB> competitor for X months? I thought you can't do this. I had a SB> situation with >> SB> a company i worked for, who basically put in the contract the very SB> same >> SB> thing you described "Cannot divulge company secrets, cannot work for SB> my >> SB> competitor etc" >> >> you can lock someone into anything you like that isn't illegal if >> they're willing to sign the contract. I've seen contracts like that >> before "you cannot work for or with anyone we've ever heard of for a >> year after you leave us" which I've 'politely declined'. Nobody can >> legally force you to sign something like that, but a lot of people get >> suckered into it if they won't get the job otherwise. >> >> SB> In this case, frankly the problem lied with someone knowing way to SB> much >> SB> information about a companies infrastructure. I've heard stories of SB> where in >> SB> a "professional" environment, the IT guys knew a person was fired SB> before >> SB> they did, in that they'd come in that morning to find that they can't SB> login >> SB> and with a yellow post-it note saying "See HR".. >> >> that's the big problem - what if the employee in question IS one of >> the IT guys? More specifically, in the case that started this thread, >> the guy wasn't fired. He left in an amicable way, and was busy taking >> these files before he left. At the time he took them, he had legal >> access to copy them. Whether it's legal for him to take them with him >> and show other people is debatable, but by other people than I. Their >> unfortunate situation was that they trusted this guy, he was leaving >> and using his existing permissions he did something bad. Backups >> wouldn't help because he didn't destroy it - he just took a copy for >> himself. >> >> This is the inherant flaw in any security. If you work for a secured >> agency like MOD or NSA or something like that, to get into your >> building you'll find yourself interrogated by full-auto wielding >> unfriendly fellows who don't care whether they've known you all your >> life, you still have to prove you are who you are and what your reason >> is for being there. The single easiest, safest and most fruitful avenue >> of invasion is social engineering (allegedly ;) ). >> If in any way you can gain a position of trust with your >> target, or an employee of your target, you're in. Whether that be by >> pretending to be someone you're not, by conning someone out of a >> password or even being employed by them for a length of time, there is >> very very little that can be done to completely prevent it. >> >> When somebody operates from a positions of trust, security is already >> irrelevant. There was no way these guys could have forseen this >> happening, and the only way to get any redress currently is to follow >> it up in civil court and take your chances (assuming you can get a >> case heard). The general consensus is that we don't necessarily have >> an answer yet, but we'd all be better served by laws and lawmakers who >> understood the unique problems faced by people in our industries. >> >> Toby >> >> SB> You need to have a monitoring situation on your sysadmins and have SB> someone >> SB> check their work etc, play big brother if you have such sensitive >> SB> information. Also backups anyone? >> >> >> >> SB> --- >> SB> You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> SB> To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> SB> MX Downunder AsiaPac DevCon - http://mxdu.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------- >> >> Life is poetry - >> write it in your own words. >> >> --------------------------------------- >> >> Toby Tremayne >> Technical Team Lead >> Code Poet and Zen Master of the Heavy Sleep >> Toll Solutions >> 154 Moray St >> Sth Melbourne >> VIC 3205 >> +61 3 9697 2317 >> 0416 048 090 >> ICQ: 13107913 >> >> >> SB> --- SB> You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SB> To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] SB> MX Downunder AsiaPac DevCon - http://mxdu.com/ --------------------------------------- Life is poetry - write it in your own words. --------------------------------------- Toby Tremayne Technical Team Lead Code Poet and Zen Master of the Heavy Sleep Toll Solutions 154 Moray St Sth Melbourne VIC 3205 +61 3 9697 2317 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 --- You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MX Downunder AsiaPac DevCon - http://mxdu.com/
