Thanks Mark,  

I was aware of the points you have made, but is doesn't hurt to highlight these to the 
whole list (the more developers making use of mach-ii, the better it will become :-) )

Sean Corfield has done a great job with his dev giude, and if you follow his outlines, 
you can't really go wrong.  I found it a bit daunting at first to udenrstand how it 
all fits together, but after doing some reading in the forums and working through the 
steps, it took me 2 weeks to get together a working app we use internally with our web 
apps to show online help.  I'm a big advocate for its use after sitting down and using 
it.  I look forward to hearing Sean explain how macromedia is using mach-ii to develop 
online applications on their site at MXDU.

I'm really interested in an end-to-end methodology though, one that takes you through 
the design steps before you sit down and start to write your CF code.  I need to be 
able to produce docs for developers, and I've been doing a fair bit of reading on UML 
and OO design methodologies. I'm currently writing a list of requirements and how we 
plan on designing the site, but the boss is really keen for us to use a methodology 
which I'm trying to get together for our needs. I'd like to share my experiences with 
others, and try and leverage of those of other users too, especially those who have 
had experience in detailled OO project design.  

We are looking to do quite a large project in mach-ii, and our design will need to be 
strong before we can get funding and start to code it.

Cheers,
Steve

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Hi Stephen

I'm using MachII a bit. Have completed one job & am half way through the
second one.

>I'm after some guidance in what methodologies/tools you are using with
mach-ii.

Hmm, not really sure how to answer that one.

Tools - the usual, anything you usually use to develop CF applications.
Methodologies - I guess I'm pretty much using the approach that Sean has
written about in his MachII guidelines
(http://livedocs.macromedia.com/wtg/public/machiidevguide/index.html). The
only thing that I am really doing different is making liberal use of
pagelets (see www.benorama.com) for generic UI components.

Overall I think MachII is a pretty good approach. It probably takes a bit
longer in the first instance when initially setting up a site (i.e. there
are tasks that I could get done quicker if I was just throwing things
together). But I've found it really saves you as the project grow & change.

Performance wise its really quick as most of the framework logic is cached
in the application scope.

If you've got more specific questions let me know.


Cheers

Mark


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Gruden Pty Ltd
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