On Apr 4, 2004, at 8:15 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
how does the DHTML thing work, I wonder if it is cross browser. Ie as much as Flash is.
Bindows doesn't work at all in Safari ("not supported" - and Safari is now the default Mac browser). I haven't tried in the other browsers here... hang on...
does anything work on this godforsaken browser as i ever read these days are the words "doesn't work on Safari".
Camino (based on Mozilla) - nope, not supported Mac IE - nope, not supported Mac Mozilla/Firebird - partial support, some apps work and some don't Mac Opera - nope, not supported
The applauncher sample is almost identical to the Flex sample explorer -
Yeah, i've also noticed similiarties between V1/V2 component framework in Flash MX and Bindows (ie code wise). Mind you i think MM framework was based on some java concepts anyway? or something along those lines. Still it was frightening to see how easily i was able to go "oh i know what that does at first glance"...
Maybe FLEX Devs copied him ;) ..(ie like that term.. the glass is half full...maybe its half empty!).
list of apps in the left column, source code view, live view. Interestingly, it didn't perform all that well (in Mozilla, at least) - several operations were slower than the equivalent in Flex-generated Flash apps (and some were faster, to be fair). The app initialization speed was almost on a par with Flex as well. But the real killer for me was the enormous amount of JavaScript in some of those examples!!! Good grief!! MenuTest2.xml is *terrifying* in its complexity.
Yeah, i noticed that aswell. In some XML feeds the tag based solution kicks in etc, but most of the others is pure Javascript mixed with XML. I noticed he also makes use of the "XmlHttpRequest" for dynamically loading assets (.js, images etc). So that may slow the overall browser down (even though you can set it not to, sometimes it still does regardless).
Still, it's an interesting approach and the actual generated UI is quick slick - when it works (in Mozilla). Based on the prices quoted in this
Oh yeah, while its a cheap ass solution to what i would call an "IE" only RIA (i use the term RIA loosely) its still is a nice solution at that. We have a SOE of IE in-house, so a framework like this wouldn't be a problem.
I mean thats why we also look to embrace FLEX vs DHTML, as basically a day WILL come when IE may get dropped that or DHTML becomes "legacyware" resulting in either upgrades/re-writes to existing business tools. Hopefully FLEX will allow us to have a uniform approach accross all PLATFORMS.. (After MXDU, the MossyTeam/TQ Team are dead keen on getting MACs... cause they are purtyyyy).
thread, it would cost the web team here somewhere between $9k and $14k, possibly more, to deploy Bindows (depending on how they define 'developers' - and it wouldn't even work for a very vocal segment of our market).
Personally, I rekon DHTML should never go out to the general public. Its like releasing a monkey in a crokery/glassware store; you run the risk of things breaking every 5 mins... if its a trained monkey and heavily sedated (IE) you'll be fine...
Hmmm more coffee needed....
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