"views" to me just means presentation...it could be anything. Part of JSF is the supposed ease of swapping or writing renderers. For instance, your form could render as html for one user on a web browser and as vxml for another user on a payphone.
-Dave >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/05 7:15 PM >>> >> The thing I find difficult is forgetting about the whole request/response paradigm... you can assign an action or event to a button or link and JSF hides most everything between the click and your backing bean's method actually being called. that sounds like how ASP.NET works - smoke and mirrors hiding the form/url submit, javascript, etc. >> So I'd say that while JSF is an extremely powerful framework for rendering views, are forms also views? just curious barry.b On 7/25/05, Peter H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback there Dave. > > Upon further reading there is a Struts project in it's inception phase that > will be based on JSF called Shale. This would seem to offer the advantages > of a strong framework whilst opening up a whole new world of component / > tool support. > > For now, I think I'll stick to playing around and focus my efforts on > learning MG > > Pete (aka lad4bear) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "David Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CFCDev] Anyone Used Java Server Faces? > Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:13:16 -0400 > > I've experienced both the good and the bad sides of JSF. I'll openly > admit there are parts I don't know a lot about... such as the navigation > rules. I do know that Sun's RI is buggy and MyFaces is regarded as a > better implementation. > > It's difficult to compare to CF, as JSF is really a framework whereas CF > is a language. I've never built a JSF tag, but in speaking to those that > have I know it is not trivial. > > JSF has a steep learning curve, even for seasoned java-heads. The thing > I find difficult is forgetting about the whole request/response > paradigm... you can assign an action or event to a button or link and > JSF hides most everything between the click and your backing bean's > method actually being called. I have a JSF tool that fails randomly > (this is on Sun's JSF) somewhere between the user clicking "submit" and > my method being called. It's like Mach-ii's WSOD, however in this case > I've found it very difficult to debug the app... I've heard horror > stories of crazy harnesses being built for the sole purpose of debugging > JSF itself. > > So I'd say that while JSF is an extremely powerful framework for > rendering views, it's not for the weak stomached or those looking for an > easy way to get into Java. > > -Dave Ross > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/05 9:56 AM >>> > Hi guys, > > I've just started investigating Java Server Faces and was wondering how > it > compares to using ColdFusion. Does anyone have experience of using it > and if > so, erm ... how was it for you? > > Cheers, Pete (aka lad4bear) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends > http://messenger.msn.co.uk > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > You are subscribed to cfcdev. To unsubscribe, send an email to > [email protected] with the words 'unsubscribe cfcdev' as the subject of > the email. > > CFCDev is run by CFCZone (www.cfczone.org) and supported by CFXHosting > (www.cfxhosting.com). > > CFCDev is supported by New Atlanta, makers of BlueDragon > http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm > > An archive of the CFCDev list is available at > www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > You are subscribed to cfcdev. 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