Thanks Jim, but no, Eclipse is not for me: * The "TAB editing" feature of those 2 editors is one the best performance booster I have seen in years. I have not found any in Eclipse. * Supported languages: a decent list is at http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk/Bundles/. All the ones I need are there. * Flex: oh yes, I will resist. In the name of standards compliance and accessibility. And it's not futile.
Thanks, Jean Moniatte UGAL.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try UGAL.net at http://www.ugal.net/createawebsite/ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cassata Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:56 PM To: cfcdev@cfczone.org Subject: RE: [CFCDEV] RE: DW vs Eclipse Hello Jean, Eclipse has the benefit of once you get productive an comfortable (took me a week of harassing the members of this list) you can use it as an IDE for so many languages. I see now why it was worth the effort, it is ultimately more efficient to work with both as a lone developer and as part of a team. And, as a CF developer, there will most likely be Flex in your future, and Flex runs best in Eclipse. Resistance is Futile. Jim --- Jean Moniatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Simplier situation here: I am the only developer using my laptop as > my dev > machine. This discussion made me try to switch from HS to Eclipse. > BAH. It > is definitely too heavy and feature rich for what I need to do. > > I have found 2 alternatives, they both implement tab editing which I > find > very useful: > - http://www.e-texteditor.com/ > - http://intype.info/home/index.php > > E-texteditor can use the ColdFusion bundle that has been developped > for > textmate (available only to mac heads): > http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk/Bundles/ColdFusion.tmbundle/ > > Hope it helps someone :-) > > Jean Moniatte > UGAL.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Try UGAL.net at http://www.ugal.net/createawebsite/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > RADEMAKERS > Tanguy > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:55 AM > To: cfcdev@cfczone.org > Subject: RE: [CFCDEV] RE: DW vs Eclipse > > drink a beer to my health ;) > > happy to help. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >Of Jim Cassata > >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:44 PM > >To: cfcdev@cfczone.org > >Subject: RE: [CFCDEV] RE: DW vs Eclipse > > > >Ok Tanguy, I owe you 2 dollars. Do you accept Paypal? > > > >Thanks, you all saved me from the remaining grief... > > > > > > > >--- RADEMAKERS Tanguy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> be careful: if you create your project in X:, you will have > eclipse > >> files (.project, maybe .classpath) in your web root. Create your > >> project > >> on C:, but then create link folders to X: (New -> folder -> > advanced > >> -> > >> "Link to folder in the file system") > >> > >> /t > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >> >Of Jim Cassata > >> >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:03 PM > >> >To: cfcdev@cfczone.org > >> >Subject: Re: [CFCDEV] RE: DW vs Eclipse > >> > > >> >So, I have my X: drive now mapped to the web root of my dev linux > >> >server. I have a project set up with a local workspace on C: Is > >> that > >> >correct? I can not just save an edited file and immediately see > the > >> >change in the browser. Should I use the mapping to the web root > (X:) > >> as > >> >my project workspace? This probably has a few of you laughing, > (me > >> too) > >> >but I am just burning hours trying to get cfeclipse to "eclipse" > my > >> >efficiency with DW. In DW, I open a file (RDS mapped), edit, > save, > >> >view. I see people do the same in videos of eclipse, but I can't > >> >reproduce this with my existing code in the linux webroot. Two > >> dollars > >> >to the first kind soul that helps me out (no fighting please) > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> > > >> >Jim the hapless noob > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >--- Daniel Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Wow, thanks for the info Stijn. Had not heard of that working > copy > >> >> feature > >> >> before. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 2/7/07, Stijn Dreezen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Basically you can edit code where-ever you want with eclipse, > if > >> >> you > >> >> > combine cfeclipse with some version control plugin. We often > use > >> >> > subversion to create our repositories and check in/out code > on a > >> >> windows > >> >> > workstation with eclipse using a subversion plugin. Updates > >> >> > can be sent to where-ever you want on your linux dev server > by > >> >> creating a > >> >> > working copy > >> >> > somewhere in your webroot and add /path/to/working-copy and > svn > >> up > >> >> in > >> >> > hooks/post-commit in your subversion repository. This will > >> update > >> >> the > >> >> > working copy on your dev server each time you check in some > >> code. > >> >> > All transmissions are done via http, so this will basically > work > >> >> > everywhere. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > server and add > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Jim Cassata wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > There has been overwhelming response to say that CFEclipse > is > >> the > >> >> way > >> >> > > to go for coding CF over DW. I also understand that CF is > more > >> >> project > >> >> > > oriented than DW. In DW, I just point my RDS to the Linux > dev > >> >> server > >> >> > > (sole dev on the server) and away I go. In eclipse. the RDS > >> will > >> >> always > >> >> > > start on the server root, then I have to navigate to the > >> webroot > >> >> > > folder. But more importantly, I can not create a project > for > >> it > >> >> because > >> >> > > eclipse can not windows-navigate to it. Is there an > >> alternative > >> >> to > >> >> > > turning my workstation into a dev server (my software > >> interfaces > >> >> with > >> >> > > open-source linux tools) or using samba on the linux > server? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > It has been very very helpful, thanks to all of you who > >> >> participate in > >> >> > > the discussion. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Jim > >> >> > > > >> >> > > --- Andrew Thielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > There are so many reasons why Eclipse in general with the > >> >> CFEclipse > >> >> > > > extension is an invaluable toolset for CF web > development. A > >> >> lot of > >> >> > > > those reasons are contained in the Eclipse Web Tools > >> Platform > >> >> (WTP) > >> >> > > > http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/. If your developing in > >> other > >> >> > > > languages > >> >> > > > as well (like php, Java and even .NET) you can usually > >> combine > >> >> all of > >> >> > > > those together here in one IDE. When you add CFEclipse to > >> that > >> >> you > >> >> > > > have > >> >> > > > a powerhouse that blows away DW and most other glorified > >> Text > >> >> > > > editors. > >> >> > > > If you're jumping over from Homesite or DW there is a > >> learning > >> >> curve > >> >> > > > but > >> >> > > > it's well worth the effort. Most people say they miss the > >> code > >> >> help > >> >> > > > but > >> >> > > > it's actually there just executed differently. You can > also > >> >> place the > >> >> > > > cursor in a CF TAG and hit the "?" icon and be taken to > the > >> >> correct > >> >> > > > livedocs url for that tag. You still have code snippets > etc. > >> >> Once you > >> >> > > > get used to it you'll never go back! If you want to learn > >> about > >> >> > > > setting > >> >> > > > up Eclipse with CFEclipse and a lot of other helpful > >> extensions > >> >> > > > Nathan > >> >> > > > Strutz has a video presentation and resource links at his > >> blog > >> >> > > > dopefly.net that I found very helpful. First watch the > video > >> >> > > > presentation (75 minutes) > >> >> > > > http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/entry.cfm?entry=121 then > go > >> >> download > >> >> > > > stuff > http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/entry.cfm?entry=118. > >> That > >> >> blog > >> >> > > > has > >> >> > > > a lot of other great posts about eclipse to check out > too: > >> >> > > > http://www.dopefly.com/techblog/?bycategory=5 > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Best of luck > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Andrew Thielen > >> >> > > > Senior Applications and Database Developer > >> >> > > > Environmental Defense > >> >> > > > http://www.environmentaldefense.org > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > > > From: Jim Cassata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:00 AM > >> >> > > > To: NYCFUG > >> >> > > > Subject: DW vs Eclipse > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Hi, > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > Just wondering what people coding CF are > using,Dreamweaver, > >> >> > > > CFEclipse, > >> >> > > > and why. I like DW, have been using it for the last few > >> years. > >> >> As I > >> >> > > > venture into Flex territory, Adobe has seen fit to > introduce > >> me > >> >> to > >> >> > > > Eclipse. 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