RE: [CFTALKTor] Java and ColdFusion

[charles arehart]

Right, but that's exactly the kind of concern that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CF BEING BASED ON JAVA. Sorry, I'm not shouting at you, it's just a frustration over constant misunderstanding. But you can feel free to shout it at them. :-)     The fact that CF will be running on java is as transparent to end users as the fact that a server is running CF at all. All the user gets as a result of the page is HTML (or javascript, or java applets), all at the control of the developer. If your CF code is just generating HTML today, it will only generate HTML under the next release of CF.   Please spread the word. Fight fear, uncertainty, and doubt! :-)   /charlie -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Boehm Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CFTALKTor] Java and ColdFusion Charlie, I must admit I don’t know enough about the security issue and I shall see if my IT manager will come on and explain the concerns. I do know that some of out potential clients have blocked Java with their firewalls and won’t allow the cab file required in ColdFusion to download.     David Boehm Website & Database Management Product Ordering On-Line M&T Printing Group 907 Frederick St. Kitchener, ON Canada N2B 2B9 (519) 571-0101  Fax (519) 571-0129 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of charles arehart Sent: March 5, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CFTALKTor] Java and ColdFusion   David, can you explain further what their concerns are? Is it just a general fear of Java? Or a specific, reasoned concern? There are so many points of potential misunderstanding.   Indeed, is this about the announcement that the next release will run on top of a java platform? Did the superiors now what CF ran on top of before? It was C++. Did we know? No. It was transparent to us as developers, as will the fact that Neo runs on Java. So what's their concern?   Are they recalling the days of java applets? The conversion to java for Neo has nothing to with applets (and anyway, the java platform introduced pretty tight security for applets, as it happens).   If their concern is about CF running on Java, what's the beef? I've not had any thoughts of security concerns as a result of the change. Maybe they can educate me/us. I'm thinking, though, that the fear may be more from misguided concern, but let's all talk about it.   /charlie -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CFTALKTor] Java and ColdFusion It is perfectly possible to use coldfusion 5 and below without Java.  My understanding is that CF 6 and above Java will be integral (at least server side, anyway).   If security is an issue, what are you going to use instead?  There seems to much more security issues with ASP, VBS, then Java.   Terry Fielder Network Engineer Great Gulf Homes / Ashton Woods Homes [EMAIL PROTECTED]   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Boehm Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CFTALKTor] Java and ColdFusion My superiors are extremely concerned about using Java, mostly for security reasons. Is it possible and/or worthwhile to use ColdFusion without Java? What are the options?   David Boehm Website & Database Management Product Ordering On-Line M&T Printing Group 907 Frederick St. Kitchener, ON Canada N2B 2B9 (519) 571-0101  Fax (519) 571-0129 [EMAIL PROTECTED]