>i do see many folk on this list grappling and changing in this regard. Perhaps the first most noticeable step is taking control of what is given to them by the MUA. This is only the smallest sliver of what old MUAs used to give such as the ! path (or "received-by" entry). Nor is it the optimum - at most it can be a local optima, as there are several: each MUA has one for starts.
>i think who, time, and subject should be kept to preserve a message in its context. Context is important, else as Wagner said we only have bleeding chunks. We need something that is fully alive. i would like to see thread preserved too, but that takes too much time in my present environment. >It would be nice to use a convention for our missives and have interchangeability. An obvious standard, HTML, is apparently ruled out possibly by SMTP. i do believe there are markups though, perhaps that could be used with the help of automation. Perhaps something like ~w-markdown. J'ers could have their own metaMUA. Even if it were not universally used in the J community, still quoters could quote in that to capture what they perceived as the authors intent. The content of the forums might thus be raised. >Ideas presented about netiquette that are several decades old and almost predate the web cannot have a fully current reality. In particular they cannot predict what others, and others agents will do. A "mishmash", rather than a fossilization in a convention, is a good thing at this stage. Having more people engaged in this problem will lead faster towards a best practice. There are real problems to be overcome and the actual use of differing ways is necessary for an exploration of that problem domain and its potential resolutions. ---~ http://u.tgu.ca/w-markdown http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language greg ~krsnadas.org -- from: Raul Miller <[email protected]> to: Chat forum <[email protected]> date: 14 May 2013 12:35 subject: Re: [Jchat] [Jprogramming] Testing consecutive pairs of primes Perhaps this will help: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt >That said I am not clear on the distinction between "an established convention" and "a mishmash with all kinds of adjustments". Are there always valid (or even "frequently valid") issues which separate them? >Also: I have moved this from the programming forum to the chat forum. If there is some programming going on here, I'm overlooking it. Thanks, -- from: greg heil <[email protected]> to: [email protected] date: 14 May 2013 11:56 subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Testing consecutive pairs of primes Wm >i do not see a "established convention" here. i see a mishmash with all kinds of adjustments, conscious and un-conscious experiments, lots of overlay from machine (MUA) modulations and a few attempts towards best practices. Some sites/lists/forums/etc have codified and enforced, their probably premature, ideas of established conventions. It takes a lot of understanding to turn these datum's into knowledge, it is probably hopeless to turn those hoped for knowledge's into wisdom. But anyway that is a quest which one can choose to take. Yes their will be nay sayers. Yes they will get more forceful and vocal as seeker approaches a prime. So what? It is a, perhaps in a larger context - the, growth path. greg ~krsnadas.org -- from: William Tanksley, Jr <[email protected]> to: [email protected] date: 14 May 2013 09:03 subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Testing consecutive pairs of primes greg heil <[email protected]> wrote: >i do try not to use one on "short" lines. >Yes, that would be slightly annoying. It's only extremely annoying when it's used on long lines -- it blocks the reply editor from being able to properly mark your text as being a reply. >It makes a lot of sense to use it on code. I don't see why it helps to use it on text -- there's an established convention there, and I don't see what benefit you're gaining that makes up for flouting that convention. Again, it makes replying inline to you harder than usual. I'm sorry to have dragged this on, though. I won't call attention to that again. -Wm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
